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bouncer99
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Date Joined Sep 2001
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Posted 5/5/2004 12:30 PM (GMT -6)

I am new to the study of the open view so please forgive my ignorance if this reference has been brought up before. I was studying the book of Johin and I came across this in chapter 17 verse 12 How does the open view answer the idea of Judas iscarot? Did he act completely out of free will or was he the misforturante individual that completed the prophecy that Jesus references in this verse. The verse states, "None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fullfilled." This is Jesus praying for his desciples prior to his accession into heaven. Does the open view espouse that Judas had a choice to betray Jesus? I would think that yes he would have a choice that he needs to make. But, what about the prophecy of scripture that needed to be Fulfilled. Did Judas Really have a choice? Was there another who would have taken his place if Judas would of chosen differently. I am curious to hear what others opinions are on this.

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John Earp
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Posted 5/5/2004 12:34 PM (GMT -6)

Hi bouncer,

From what I know of Doc's writings, it is considered axiomatic to the OV that one becomes less and less free the more choices one makes. In Judas' case, his character was so solidified by the time Jesus said this, that it was a foregone conclusion, and Christ knew it was. Also, I think Boyd says that it was not specified that Judas had to be the precise one to fulfill the prophecy, just that he was in fact the one who did. I'm pretty sure Boyd covers this in his GOTP and S&TPOE, but it's been a while since I studied them. Hopefully somebody else's memory will be working better than mine is right now. Big Smile

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