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Bobber
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Date Joined Jun 2004
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| Posted 7/26/2004 2:55 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Actually they say that anything that approaches the speed of light, it's mass would approach infinity, thus, they know of nothing that approaches the speed of light, as the entire universe has a finite mass.
AND, even at the speed of light, something would take 40 billion light years to traverse the universe, one way. No potty stops.
Well yes but were talking about here something who's substance and nature would be ABOVE speed of light anyway. The best way to describe the physcial universe is that it is sub-light. Im suggesting the universe of the spirit, The Kingdom Of God is perhaps if I might put it this way located from a physics standpoint ABOVE the speed of light. That would actually provide retrotgrade time and explain how God knows the future, the end from the beginning while all the time, have mans free will in place. 
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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 7/27/2004 11:42 AM (GMT -6) | | bobber, let me make it plainer:
1. The triune God is uncreated.
2. Everything else has been created. A finite amount has been created.
3. For the information of the future to go back to the past, it either:
a. travels within God, through His thoughts
b. travels outside God, through a media that's been created
Now for a. to be true, God has to exist past, present and future simultaneously. But you (and I) don't believe that.
That leaves b. the information has to travel outside God through some created finite media. Why finite? Because the universe, all of creation is finite. Three problems:
1. All the future information, from creation to infinite eternity is infinite.
But the universe is finite.
You can't pass infinite information through finite media; plus God would need all that infinite data simultaneously, no pipelining.
2. Finite, created media has mass. Moving it towards the speed of light, it's mass would approach infinity. But all the matter in the universe is finite. So what would contain it?
3. The universe is 40 billions light years across, even at the speed of light, the information would take 40 billion light years to traverse the universe. Now speed it up so it's simultaneous access to all information about the universe, that's 40 billion times the speed of light. The mass of the information would be infinite data * 40 billion * infinity. Plus the checksum. 
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