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¡Que Payaso!
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| Posted 6/9/2004 3:34 PM (GMT -6) |   | I picked up a copy of Robinson's The Storms of Providence: Navigating the Waters of Calvinism, Arminianism, and Open Theism. I have not gotten very far into the book, but I can tell you right now, if you are looking for a legitimate critique of open theism, look elsewhere.
Robinson describes open theism as a view which denies that God knows all of the future. Given Boyd's contribution to Semper Reformandum, this misrepresents the open view. Open theism affirms that God knows the future. The difference is that while most say the future is all "wills," the open view says it consists of "wills" AND "might/might nots." But God knows all the future as such.
I was sort of hoping Robinson would give a reasoned, fair critique, but once again, it is easier to take down the straw man than it is to take on the view itself.
Payaso 
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PhilTheThrill
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| Posted 6/10/2004 7:09 AM (GMT -6) | | My old high school football team was called the Highland Storms of Providence. We took state one year.
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feelinahole
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| Posted 6/11/2004 11:43 AM (GMT -6) | | Payaso: I finished "Storms," awhile back (almost balked at its price, almost I say), but all in all I would recommend it (I wanted to start a discussion on it but have been pressed for time lately).
I found Robinson not so much off the mark on open theism as simply dismissive of it. He almost seems to lump much of it with Arminism when contrasting it with Calvinism. I didn't have a problem with that, since I think that open theism simply takes Arminianism to its logical consequences (a place where most theologians are afraid to go). I did, however, like his argument that a God who does not know the future cannot guareentee his own future. I had never heard that arugment before (hopefully one of us will state it here and get some imput going on it). I would also some discussion on his modification of foreknowledge Conditional will-Actual foreknowledge.
I did think his criticism of Calvinism were well done. All in all, a excellant, if flawed book. | | Back to Top | | |
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| Posted 7/2/2004 12:21 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by GregBoyd
Unfortunately, good, solid, fair critiques of Open Theism are hard to come by. 99% of what I've read is caricature.
GB
THEN THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM.
AND POLEMIC LANGUAGE, AND VILAINIZING
WOULD SEEM TO BE BAD IDEAS.
AND FAILURES TO BUILD BRIDGES
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| Posted 7/2/2004 12:38 PM (GMT -6) | | Col. 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Exodus 15:26 - And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
Exodus 19:5 - Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Leviticus 18:5 - Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 26:27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; 28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
Deuteronomy 11:27 - A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deuteronomy 11:28 - And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
2 Chron. 7:12 And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice. 13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place. 16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. 17 And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments; 18 Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel. 19 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them; 20 Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations. 21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and unto this house? 22 And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.
2 Chronicles 30:9 - For if ye turn again unto the LORD, your brethren and your children shall find compassion before them that lead them captive, so that they shall come again into this land: for the LORD your God is gracious and merciful, and will not turn away his face from you, if ye return unto him.
Isaiah 1:19 - If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 - But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Jeremiah 18:8 - If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Jeremiah 18:10 - If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
Ezekiel 18:21 - But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezekiel 33:8 - When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezekiel 33:9 - Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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feelinahole
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| Posted 7/2/2004 1:29 PM (GMT -6) | | O: I think the problem stems from the fact that both sides are right, but are using different definitions. People who hold the classical view believe that open theists believe that God doesn't fully know the future because from THEIR view the only way God can truly know the future is if he knows everything that will happen. Open theists believe (from their view) that God knows all the future because God knows all that is possible to know, both those things that will happen and might happen. I agree with POW: its a matter of miscommunication.
In manners of what will happen, I as an open theist, believe God completely knows the future. However, I also believe there are things even God cannot know. And, as John E. points out, I believe the Bible supports this view. | | Back to Top | | |
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Bobber
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| Posted 7/11/2004 4:43 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Open theism affirms that God knows the future. The difference is that while most say the future is all "wills," the open view says it consists of "wills" AND "might/might nots." But God knows all the future as such.
Hope you folks don’t mind some here on your site not agreeing with the OV view…well im not like some which would call you heretics….I can assure you I do count you’s as precious brethren …..but I do find this claim that Open Theism affirms that God knows the future a little off. . The only way your saying it [correct me if im wrong] is that you’re basing it totally on the thought that God has declared certain things are going to happen…like the resurrection etc…true but to say publicly that you affirm God knows the future….
Well I think it misleads some into thinking your saying what they believe but really are not…..why not just say we don’t believe God knows the future but he has decided to do certain things like the resurrection etc. And like one question on here asked if God didn’t know the future how could he guarantee he would be there in the future….?? So how then could he know the future? 
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Bobber
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| Posted 7/11/2004 5:01 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
As far as I have been able to tell, the classical view has no coherent way of explaining these contingencies as in fact REAL contingencies. There are almost too many "ifs" expressed by God in the Bible to even count.
Hi John...you know I have a belief somewhat like yours but then again different....I don't believe God if I can put it this way...that God did know all the future but then again he came to know it....the best way to describe the universe of the physical is that it finds it's reality below the speed of light....But Jesus said he came down from ABOVE....above our heads physically...nope...I would submit that's not what he really meant...not calling this dogma, but hey one thing we do know is above light speed time would go retrograde....say what one might but this would provide God with revelation [not prediction] but revelation of the future and still have mans free will in tact.....But.....
You state all the IF's the classical position can't answer for....im not sure how you could claim that it couldn't.....what would be so difficult to accept that God does have his eternal standpoint of being in a place where time works different [relative to us] but to us he speaks and responds on our own level or understadning of time? There's nothing which would say that he couldn't or wouldn't do this....so again I guess I fail to understand why you claim there is no coherent way to explain this....all the IF scriptures you pointed out doesn't exclude the possiblity that God was responding to man within his own understanding of time.....  | | Back to Top | | |
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John Earp
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| Posted 7/11/2004 6:54 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Bobber
Hi John...you know I have a belief somewhat like yours but then again different....I don't believe God if I can put it this way...that God did know all the future but then again he came to know it....
The Bible itself reveals God as finding things out in real time:
"now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son..." (Gen. 22:12)
The following is an excellent introduction to the Open View by Dr. Boyd, which I recommend to anyone who wants to know precisely what it is the Open View consists of:
http://twtministries.com/articles/9_openness/open.html
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not calling this dogma, but hey one thing we do know is above light speed time would go retrograde....
Actually, that is not true, Bobber. Physical science has not shown that beyond the speed of light time would go retrograde. The science FICTION writers have theorized such, but this is in fact not borne out by the evidence of physical science. Time might seem to stand still for an object going the speed of light or beyond, but retrograde time travel would not happen, for then you would have an effect before a cause. Further, there is nothing in the past to return to.
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You state all the IF's the classical position can't answer for....im not sure how you could claim that it couldn't.....what would be so difficult to accept that God does have his eternal standpoint of being in a place where time works different [relative to us] but to us he speaks and responds on our own level or understadning of time? There's nothing which would say that he couldn't or wouldn't do this....so again I guess I fail to understand why you claim there is no coherent way to explain this....all the IF scriptures you pointed out doesn't exclude the possiblity that God was responding to man within his own understanding of time.....
First, doesn't it seem odd to be accusing God of being disingenuous in revealing Himself to mankind, as you are doing?
Second, consider the following:
On the traditional view of foreknowledge (God sees all, past, present, and future, from an "eternal now" vantage point), foreknowledge is really nothing more than knowledge to God, for He sees all of history in one simultaneous "eternal moment."
What's more, with the "eternal now" theory, God is completely unable to change ANYTHING in history, or else it would not be true that he perfectly knew everything in history prior to changing something in it. Therefore, the entire theory can only lead to sheer determinism/double predestinarianism, for if any part of the future God sees can be changed (as the Bible indicates) then God did not in fact possess exhaustive DEFINITE foreknowledge (because it was in fact contingent if He could change it).
For this reason, the eternal now concept is self-contradictory and inconsistent with ANY form of libertarian free will--the idea that what we do as humans is able to change anything when all is said and done.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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Bobber
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| Posted 7/12/2004 2:50 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
The Bible itself reveals God as finding things out in real time:
"now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son..." (Gen. 22:12)
Well you know what ive stated before would not go against what you stated above. What I stated was that the future is not a real thing until it unfolds but once it does revelation can go backwards in time to connect to God to the time of the beginning….So according to physical time as its played out he wouldn’t know but then there comes a second loop around the track [if I might put it that way] in which he now puts down prophecies of things he saw as it was coming back to him……So we can state in truth God knows the future and in real terms always has…… Jesus said, I Am Alpha/Omega, Beginning and the End, The First And The Last….. this lines up with our current understanding of how the universe could genuinely work and totally protects mans freedom of will….in other words just because men chose certain things and God knows about it, doesn’t mean he made them do it……
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not calling this dogma, but hey one thing we do know is above light speed time would go retrograde.... [Bobber]
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Actually, that is not true, Bobber. Physical science has not shown that beyond the speed of light time would go retrograde. [John]
That’s only because nothing of the physical can go faster then light. That does not mean that science cannot conclude what the situation would be if you could go faster then light.
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The science FICTION writers have theorized such, but this is in fact not borne out by the evidence of physical science.
In saying only science fiction writers I would suggest you’re not being totally accurate here. Men of physics [not science fiction writers] have stated in their professional opinions that time would go backwards or retrograde…..study out even what Hawkings has wrote about the cosmic sensor….and other men of physics have wrote about the genuine possibility of such….
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Further, there is nothing in the past to return to.
Says who? Study out many of the great men of physics –who have studied this question….How many of them claim that there would be nothing of the past to return to?…..Some question about the possible paradox of certain things occurring, but I don’t read many saying there would be no past to return to…..just a simple study on the internet will confirm what ive stated is true.
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Bobber
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| Posted 7/12/2004 3:09 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
You state all the IF's the classical position can't answer for....im not sure how you could claim that it couldn't.....what would be so difficult to accept that God does have his eternal standpoint of being in a place where time works different [relative to us] but to us he speaks and responds on our own level or understanding of time? There's nothing which would say that he couldn't or wouldn't do this....so again I guess I fail to understand why you claim there is no coherent way to explain this....all the IF scriptures you pointed out doesn't exclude the possibility that God was responding to man within his own understanding of time..... [Bobber]
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First, doesn't it seem odd to be accusing God of being disingenuous in revealing Himself to mankind, as you are doing? [John]
Why because God to us human beings approaches us and deals with us in a way that actually protects freedom of will that would make him disingenuous to us? Why so? What’s so very hard to accept that we on our level are not God…..Jesus said he came down from above….or a universe of a higher type and order….but in dealing with us he deals with us in our order of existence…..I fail to understand what’s so hard to accept about that….???
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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 7/12/2004 3:37 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Bobber
Says who? Study out many of the great men of physics –who have studied this question….How many of them claim that there would be nothing of the past to return to?…..Some question about the possible paradox of certain things occurring, but I don’t read many saying there would be no past to return to…..just a simple study on the internet will confirm what ive stated is true.
Not according to what I've been reading:
http://www.skybooksusa.com/time-travel/physics/qutiwafo.htm
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Observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation show that the Universe emerged from the Big Bang in a very smooth and uniform state. This rules out the time-symmetric solutions. The implication is that even if the present expansion of the Universe does reverse, time will not run backwards and broken cups will not start re- assembling themselves.
Time moves in one direction only--------->
Plus you have the problem of scale,
infinite data cannot be transmitted, simultaneously, via a finite media. You have not resolved this fact.
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Bobber
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| Posted 7/12/2004 5:10 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation show that the Universe emerged from the Big Bang in a very smooth and uniform state. This rules out the time-symmetric solutions. The implication is that even if the present expansion of the Universe does reverse, time will not run backwards and broken cups will not start re- assembling themselves.
Well before taking about items about the Big Bang I would say first you even have to prove that the Big Bang took place….check out web sites that even question it as valid……what we do know absolutely about the speed of light is this…..the faster one goes [up to near the speed if light] comparing atomic clocks from different vantage points they all run different….Why should the universe be set up this way where perception of time is different from whoever is observing from whatever vantage point they have? Now someone might claim there is no why? It just does. I would still maintain there is an answer to why…the answer is one step above the speed of light time goes backwards, or it provides the means to provide God his all knowing knowledge of the future…..so in other words the universe of the physical is surrounded by a type of wall…..if we thought of it as a sand box, the walls of the sandbox are or is the speed of light….beyond those walls is eternity or the Kingdom Of God, or the place called the ABOVE. God created the system he did so that nothing really, in the real sense of the word could take God by surprise…He is indeed, The Aphla/Omega, Beginning and The End, The First And The Last….that is relative to us…
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Bobber
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| Posted 7/12/2004 5:24 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Time moves in one direction only--------->
Plus you have the problem of scale,
infinite data cannot be transmitted, simultaneously, via a finite media. You have not resolved this fact.
Im not convinced I even have to answer that for the reason I don't think we can absolutely claim that the universe of the physical will last forever....scripture speaks about a New Heavens and A New Earth being created....what exactly does that mean? There's nothing to say that such coundn't mean that this realm will be set aside and a new universe created....where time runs a different sort of way....ive even read this suggested in one article...that is if there is a thing as retrograde time that could therefore mean that our, if I might call future exsitence, starts really at the beginning of physcial time but actually goes another way...Yes I agree staggering to even consider but who are we to say that we have to totally understand everything with our natural mind at this time.....So like ive said the future that is of physical time, not spiritual time, but physical may not even last forever...it may be closed sometime up ahead.....therefore God doesn't have to know all the future of physical time in order to know the future......
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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 7/12/2004 5:24 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Bobber
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Observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation show that the Universe emerged from the Big Bang in a very smooth and uniform state. This rules out the time-symmetric solutions. The implication is that even if the present expansion of the Universe does reverse, time will not run backwards and broken cups will not start re- assembling themselves.
Well before taking about items about the Big Bang I would say first you even have to prove that the Big Bang took place
Irrespective of how it started, the universe is demonstrably moving from order and uniformity towards chaos and the law of entropy confirms this. This is why time cannot be posited to move "backwards".
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I would still maintain there is an answer to why…the answer is one step above the speed of light time goes backwards
Time does not go "backwards". You have not proved that. The unidirectional nature of entropy disproves your "thesis".
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The Aphla/Omega, Beginning and The End, The First And The Last.
Jesus being metaphorically, the first and the last letter of the Greek alphabet says nothing about time.
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| Posted 7/12/2004 10:05 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Irrespective of how it started, the universe is demonstrably moving from order and uniformity towards chaos and the law of entropy confirms this. This is why time cannot be posited to move "backwards". [SisterOfCain]
Well im not saying that the whole universe of the physcial is going back in time....in fact there's every indication the universe of the physical will pass away...so nothing you have said is against what I have here stated....im talking about revelation knowledge or insight going back to connect to God at the beginning....I think it does line up with how the universe works....
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Time does not go "backwards". You have not proved that. The unidirectional nature of entropy disproves your "thesis".
Well what if we thought about it like this....there is a Christmas present for a child near a tree....he had asked for a bike....the present wrapped up is the height of a bike, the length of a bike...does he need proof its a bike? We can say yes but in real terms no....it all matches up.....I submit once again for the very reason that time slows down as viewed from anothers vantage point as one goes to near the speed of light...the very reason that atomic clocks would even run different at all must mean something...the why must be answered....the answer to why connects wonderfully to what men of science say would occur one step ABOVE the speed of light....it does answer all the questions about how Jesus can possible be the Alpha/OMega, Beginning The End, The First And The Last.....
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Jesus being metaphorically, the first and the last letter of the Greek alphabet says nothing about time.
It doesn't...Well im sorry I can't agree with you there...understand why he said it and what the book of Revelation is all about....he stated to John the end result of what he was that is the Alpha/Omega, The Beginning And The End, And The First And The Last....in other words John he was saying your end is the same as the beginning to me and your beginning is the same as the end....and because this is so im going to show you and reveal to you, or give you revelation of what is yet to come up ahead.....You suggest Jesus was being metaphoric about using the term? Was he therefore revealing to us a metaphoric future when he describes the things of Revelations. Im sure you would say not...So why should it be difficult to accept that when he started the book of revelation that he was showing us what all this future knowledge of his was based on or founded upon....[his Alpha/Omega Factor]
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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 7/12/2004 11:06 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Bobber
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Irrespective of how it started, the universe is demonstrably moving from order and uniformity towards chaos and the law of entropy confirms this. This is why time cannot be posited to move "backwards". [SisterOfCain]
Well im not saying that the whole universe of the physcial is going back in time....in fact there's every indication the universe of the physical will pass away...so nothing you have said is against what I have here stated....im talking about revelation knowledge or insight going back to connect to God at the beginning
Nothing can go "back in time". Nothing.
http://homepage.sunrise.ch/homepage/schatzer/space-time.html
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Summary
Which is the real space-time structure? Both Galilean space-time and Minkowski space-time have appeared to be valid physical concepts. However, the absolute generality of relativistic covariance is set into doubt by the following arguments:
The time evolution of a quantum mechanical state has no covariant representation, because the "measurement process" cannot be described in a relativistically invariant manner.
EPR-like effects seem to indicate non-local (superluminal) processes.
It is impossible to construct a quantum time observable, so that no covariant 4-position operator exists.
From a cosmological perspective the existence of a preferred reference frame appears to be natural.
It has been argued that a solution to these incompatibilities could be the reintroduction of absolute time to physics. Thus, the concept of Galilean Space-Time might be the correct one after all. Incidentally, there are active research groups trying to experimentally detect the existence of a preferred reference frame in this context.
Conclusion: If our universe has a Newtonian background, ie. if there is an absolute time underlying the space-time continuum, then there is no threat on causality by superluminal processes, because time travel and its paradoxes are excluded a priori. And thus, within this framework, faster-than-light travel is possible, at least in principle.
Remark: It may be a surprise for many physicists that even within the framework of general relativity faster-than-light speed is allowed, provided that the space-time metric of the universe is globally hyperbolic [14]. This condition simply implies that closed time-like paths in space-time (and thus time-travel) are excluded, so that causality is again preserved. (In this framework, the cosmological time parameter can be again interpreted as the absolute time of the universe. However, in order to construct a propulsion mechanism for faster-than-light travel, exotic matter (with imaginary mass) would probably be needed in order to produce negative energy densities in space. Unfortunately, exotic matter is not known to exist, although negative energy densities have been shown to appear in quantum field theory. But, of course, such a hypothetical propulsion mechanism just provokes to be given the familiar name of the warp drive.
What this says is that "faster-than-light travel" might be possible BUT IT WOULD EXCLUDE TIME TRAVEL and CAUSALITY WOULD BE PRESERVED!!!!!
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