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Laika
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Posted 7/26/2004 2:56 AM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by moon_river_j
I guess I just don't understand what you're saying, yet anyway. It doesn't make sense to me, that God can know and even plan toward every detail of our life, exhaustively, but that we still have a choice. The two just don't jive .

It's because it doesn't make sense that many people have been abandoning the theology that had been taught them while children.

That's the only way the islamic-calvinistic-fatalism can survive, by indoctrinating children.

But you're smart now, Jo-anne. Wink

inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

Lee Merrill
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Posted 7/26/2004 7:04 AM (GMT -6)

Hi everyone,

quote:
Jo-Anne: I take it your not an open theist.

You have taken correctly, no, I'm not Open Viewed.

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It doesn't make sense to me, that God can know and even plan toward every detail of our life, exhaustively, but that we still have a choice.

Know, yes, plan every detail, no, I would say. Include in his plan, yes, like with Billy and the sunscreen, knowing a choice, and including that choice in his plan.

Hope your ZZZZs were refreshing!

Lee

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rossfadeinout
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Posted 7/26/2004 10:04 AM (GMT -6)

Hey Lee,

In your response to Moon you said

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For your first question, don't parents do plan ahead? "Billy will want to swim when we're in Florida, so I'll pack the sunscreen." Now Billy's choice can be a real choice, and so can the plan being made, that includes it.

But what if Billy also enjoys playing video games. Then his parents would need to prepare by bringing sunscreen to Florida AND bringing his favorite video games. And isn't that what advocates of Open Theism say that God does? He knows every possibility, and plans for each of the possibilities.

Just a thought...

Ross

"Let us remember how common the folly is of going from one faulty extreme into the opposite." -Thomas Reid

Lee Merrill
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Posted 7/26/2004 3:40 PM (GMT -6)

Hi Ross,

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But what if Billy also enjoys playing video games. Then his parents would need to prepare by bringing sunscreen to Florida AND bringing his favorite video games.

Yes, my analogy is imperfect. So am I! I was trying to show how a choice could be known, and included in a plan, and still be a real choice. With God, he knows the choice perfectly, I believe, and not just probably, but I think my analogy still illustrates this. I think...

Blessings,
Lee

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