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yankee551
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| Posted 7/4/2001 1:31 PM (GMT -6) |   | Dear anyone reading this letter and especially Greg Boyd,
First I would like to say that I consider myself a believer in the open view of God. I believe in self-limited sovereign control, foreknowledge, present knowledge, and past knowledge. I do believe that thanks to God's voluntarily limiting His sovereign control and foreknowledge even someone who is not a part of the elect and whose name is not already recorded in Heaven still has a genuine hope of joining the elect and having their name recorded. Even under the open view I do believe it is possible to believe that certain individuals are elect before the foundation of the world while maintaining that the rest (the non-elect) still have a genuine hope for salvation. Years ago I considered the possibility of corporate election but later I ran into a problem with it. I have a hard time reading CORPORATE election into passages of scripture that speak of the elect having their INDIVIDUAL names recorded in Heaven before the foundation of the world. How can election be NON-INDIVIDUALISTIC when the INDIVIDUAL names of the elect were pre-recorded in Heaven. I have a copy of "God of the Possible" and Mr. Boyd promotes the concept of corporate election in it. I would really like to hear from Mr. Boyd on this one. I would also like to hear from anyone else.
Sincerly,
Yankee
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 7/5/2001 5:38 AM (GMT -6) | | Read Robert Shank's book, "Elect in the Son." While some complain that Shank does not contend with other scholars other than Calvin, I don't see the big hooey in that. After all, why do you think they call it Calvinism and not "Edwardism?" Of course, you may have off-shoots like Meph Man's but Reform thinking, as a system, generally flows from the same overall premises. Also, I would recommend Gordon Fee's, "Paul the Spirit and the People of God." And lastly, let's remember that Arminians view salvation as corporate "primarily and individual "secondarily." Because it is view as such it should be noted that this doesn't mean that a "individual" element doesn't exist.
Brandon Cows <---get it? 
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Tom
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| Posted 7/5/2001 7:17 PM (GMT -6) | | Yankee-
Come visit us in "Big, Huge, Enormous Problem." Same question.
I think the Shank referernce might be his Appendix "B" in Life in the Son.
Tom
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writerdad
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| Posted 7/9/2001 12:16 PM (GMT -6) | | While Shank's book is excellant I think Klein's "The New Chosen People," is better because he makes his case by going through the scriptures both Old and New Testament pertaining to election. However, it is hard to get...(I go it off the net...).
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