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|  frog Registered Member
 Date Joined May 2003 Total Posts : 10 | Posted 5/5/2003 9:54 PM (GMT -6) |   | Hi! New to this forum and Open Theism. I have a question: If the future isn't settled, is it possible that the old covenant could have worked and Jesus didn't need to come? It seems to me that God was pretty serious about the Law and all, wasn't it meant to work?
in Him Roger
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 |  Laika Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 2433 | Posted 5/6/2003 1:39 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
New to this forum and Open Theism. I have a question: If the future isn't settled, is it possible that the old covenant could have worked and Jesus didn't need to come? It seems to me that God was pretty serious about the Law and all, wasn't it meant to work?
If the Law had been kept, would Jesus have been needed? I believe so.
After Adam and Eve sinned, the redeemer was promised. Genesis 3:15
quote:
"And I will put enmity Between you [Satan] and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."
In preparation for bringing the redeemer into the world, God set aside a people and gave them a Law for them to follow, of which many elements pointed ahead to the redeemer such as the spotless lamb. The Law is also a tutor that leads us to Christ Galatians 3:
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21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
The Law as protective custody. Under the Law, sacrifices were an ongoing concern. The redeemer was to be a more permanent solution.
I was thinking about Job last night. Job probably lived before the Abrahamic covenant, maybe a contemporary of Melchezidek. He made continual sacrifices and had the testimony from God Himself that he was an upright man, blameless in all his ways. Done deal? No. Later in his book Job says "I know that my redeemer lives and will one day take his stand on the earth". Here Job is saying four things:
1. Even though I make continual sacrifices that are pleasing to God, that is not enough. I need one final sacrifice, a redeemer. 2. That redeemer is alive now. 3. That redeemer is not on earth. 4. That redeemer will come to earth.
Job realized that he needed a final sacrifice that would end his need for continual sacrifices. And Job knew that only God Himself could provide that sacrifice. Job looked ahead to Jesus, we have the advantage of looking back to Him.
"For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" (Hebrews 9:13, 14)

Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?
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 |  Tom Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 10353 | Posted 5/6/2003 3:12 AM (GMT -6) |   | Hi Roger-
Welcome to the site. Good question too.
I don't think the open view requires us to believe the Law could have been kept and therefore that Jesus would not have needed to come. I suppose the simplest not-so-sophisticated reason (one agreeing that perfect obedience would have brought life) would be that this would require universal obedience. Jesus would still come for those who needed him. What about those who didn't have the Law?
But I don't think God's intention for the Law (given our sinfulness) was that we find life in the Law and so avoid any need for the Cross. Galatians 3:21:
"If there were a law that could give persons life, then we could be made right by following that law."
It might be that "law" was what we needed to be saved from. Ever since eating from the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil" (= law) we've been hung-up on finding life in knowing and doing good. In the Mosaic law, God says to Israel (and the whole world), "OK, if you think there's life in the knowledge of good and evil, fine. Try this!" and he hands 'em Moses. I don't think God intended us to find life in the Law any more than he intended us to find life in the knowledge of good and evil.
You deserve a much longer answer, but this is all I got time for!
Tom
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