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rossfadeinout
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   Posted 3/25/2003 5:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey everyone,
I was wondering if anyone has read McCabe's book Divine Nescience of Future Contengencies a Necessity. I know that this is one of the first books that stated the open view of God's knowledge. Does he have the same view essentially as current defenders of the open view. The book is online at eeminc.org/Articles/DNtitle.html I was wondering if it was worth the read...

Thanks,
Ross

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. - C.S. Lewis
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John Earp
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   Posted 3/25/2003 5:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Hey everyone,
I was wondering if anyone has read McCabe's book Divine Nescience of Future Contengencies a Necessity. I know that this is one of the first books that stated the open view of God's knowledge. Does he have the same view essentially as current defenders of the open view. The book is online at eeminc.org/Articles/DNtitle.html I was wondering if it was worth the read...

Thanks,
Ross

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. - C.S. Lewis



Hi Ross,

I have read McCabe's work you referred to. It is excellent. It seems to me that McCabe's view is very similar to modern Open Theists, though perhaps not as sophisticated. (E.g., I don't recall McCabe referring to "might conterfactuals" and "would counterfactuals.")

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see God (Heb. 12:14)

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GregBoyd
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   Posted 3/26/2003 3:18 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, McCabe's work is certainly worth studying. He actually has two books on this topic, though I don't off hand recall the title of the other work. Divine Nescience is the more philosophical, as I recall, while the other is more focused on the biblical stuff. Both works can be laborous for modern readers, simply because of how 19th century folk tended to express themselves.

In any event, his philosophical and biblical arguments are, for the most part, close to that of modern Open Theists -- though, as J.E. said, not as nuanced in some areas.

Greg

"In Christ...the ONLY THING that matters is faith energized by love." Galatians 5:6
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John Earp
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   Posted 3/26/2003 8:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Yes, McCabe's work is certainly worth studying. He actually has two books on this topic, though I don't off hand recall the title of the other work. Divine Nescience is the more philosophical, as I recall, while the other is more focused on the biblical stuff. Both works can be laborous for modern readers, simply because of how 19th century folk tended to express themselves.

In any event, his philosophical and biblical arguments are, for the most part, close to that of modern Open Theists -- though, as J.E. said, not as nuanced in some areas.

Greg

"In Christ...the ONLY THING that matters is faith energized by love." Galatians 5:6



McCabe's second, more extensive, treatment of divine nescience is online at the following link. I have not yet studied this one in detail. So many books, so little time.

http://twtministries.com/articles/9_openness/mccabe/index.html

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see God (Heb. 12:14)

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rossfadeinout
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   Posted 3/27/2003 2:58 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
John and Doc,
Thanks for the imput! I'm going to try to do a little reading this weekend. I actually enjoy reading older works. The clarity and (how can I put this)confidence that older works have are refreshing.

I just got finished with John Miley's Systematic Theology and in this work Miley addresses McCabe's works. Miley's is probably the best Arminian Systematic Theology that I've came across, but his treatment of McCabe's position and the idea of divine nescience in general was the one very weak part of the work.

Ross

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