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Crosswind
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| Posted 4/24/2003 3:16 AM (GMT -6) |   | Ezekiel 38:10-12 reads:
" 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme.
11 You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people-all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.
12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land."
I was asked how we Open Theists are going to interpret these verses (esp. verse 10) since it appears that God already knew what thought are going to enter into the mind of Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. My response is that verse 10 is one of those things that God had been predetermined to take place. I dont know if my response is correct, so could you give me some inputs on this?
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victoryword
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| Posted 4/24/2003 4:05 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Ezekiel 38:10-12 reads:
" 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme.
11 You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people-all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.
12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land."
I was asked how we Open Theists are going to interpret these verses (esp. verse 10) since it appears that God already knew what thought are going to enter into the mind of Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. My response is that verse 10 is one of those things that God had been predetermined to take place. I dont know if my response is correct, so could you give me some inputs on this?
Thanks and God bless.
If I understand the Open View correctly, OVers believe that God knows all that is knowable and knows the hearts of men, and therefore on this basis can often predict the future actions of these individuals. Though I am still struggling with the belief about Peter's denial of Jesus, this seems to be a similar event. However, even Arminians would say that it was possible for Peter to change the course of this event. I began to see this myself as I studied that Matthew 26:
Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. (Matt. 26:34)
And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. (Matt. 26:39-40)
The fact that Jesus directly admonished Peter tells me that if Peter had prayed, he would have been strengthened to overcome the predicted temptation. I do not believe that Peter was predestined to deny the Lord.
Therefore, I believe that the prophecy in Ezekial could easily be explained within the same vein as one would explain the Prophecy concerning Peter. Furthermore the prophecy that Jonah gave against Ninevah and the one Isaiah gave concerning Hezekiah's sickness were sure prophecies but both were changed through PRAYER. It also seems to me that Jer. 18:7-9 could also be used to understand how such prophecies are interpretted in the OV.
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