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The Traveler
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| Posted 7/23/2003 7:29 PM (GMT -6) |   | Dear Doc. Boyd,
In my reading, i discovered something that confuses me, and either i'm reading it wrong, or it dosn't seem to bother other people. The problem is with the verse in Isaiah 14:12 about Satan. It reads "How have you fallen from heaven, O mornin star, son of the dawn!" Then i read over in Revelations " I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." ( Rev. 22:16 ) Now i'm reading this to say that Satan was the morning star, and Jesus is the morning star. You following? maybe i'm reading it wrong, but it seems very odd to equate Satan to Jesus. Anyhow, let me know what your take is.
In Christ
Jacob
ps - the version i used was NIV if that helps.
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Blood Washed Heretic
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| Posted 7/24/2003 3:50 AM (GMT -6) | | I'm not Doc, and I'm sure he'll get to your question, but here's my quick take. I believe that Morning Star is God's term for the most beautiful, glorious being in Heaven. Before he fell and became what we know as Satan, that was the angel Lucifer. However, following the Incarnation, Death, and Resurrection of Christ, Jesus the exalted One became the true Morning Star when He ascended.
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 7/24/2003 4:44 AM (GMT -6) | | Well, you're right that it is rather odd to equate Jesus with Satan.
The morning star (which, incidentally, is how we got the name "Lucifer" for Satan, since the latin is something like Lu Cipher) was a common ancient Mesopotamian metaphor for anyone who shines bright for a season then fades (which is what the morning star, Venus, does). It is applied to the King of Tyre in Isa 14 and, by implication, to an unnamed cosmic being who acts like this King on a cosmic scale (so I argue in God at War). But John uses it in simply a positive sense -- as the star that shines brightest.
I don't think there's any other point to be derived from these two occurances of "morning star."
Blessings
greg
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