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GregBoyd
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| Posted 12/4/2002 7:42 PM (GMT -6) |   | Brother Andrews -- the famous "God Smuggler" -- has just come out with a new book entitled God Changed His MInd ]/i]. (He's the missionary who became famous for smuggling bibles into Communist Russia).
I'd like to see him try to join the ETS!
Doc
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honorman
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| Posted 12/5/2002 7:27 AM (GMT -6) | | Doctor Boyd: it is a very good book (though it is a reprint..he wrote it about ten years ago, but I think he brought it back out again because of all you guys stirring up trouble). I recommend it.
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jeepney
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| Posted 1/24/2003 10:15 AM (GMT -6) | | Hello everyone,
I'm just curious. I would like to know to what extent Brother Andrew may or may not embrace moral government theology as it is found in YWAM. Where does he stand on the issue of God's foreknowledge? I know that he has spoken highly of YWAM. I recognize the fact that even though it seems incoherent to believe that God changes his mind while at the same time maintain that his foreknowledge is exhaustive, yet there are those who believe both to be true. Has he written any articles on God's foreknowledge or preached any recorded sermons that would answer what his positions may be?
Sincerly,
Jeepney
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Tom
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| Posted 1/24/2003 6:49 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi Jeepney-
Welcome to the site!
Andrew was here in Beirut last summer. He used to come through quite often. He spoke in our church and people really liked him. He's getting up in years I think, but has a lot of excitement for life and ministry and draws people to himself.
He didn't speak about anything related to foreknowledge. His real passion is missions, of course. Haven't read his book, but Terrance Teissen has an entire chapter on him in his Prayer and Providence. I don't imagine Andrew embraces Moral Government theology. Besides, where you stand on foreknowledge does not by itself place you inside or ourside of the MG camp. Andrew is a great friend of OM (Operation Mobilization) too, and OM tends to be more Reformed. MG used to be really big in YWAM, but I run into YWAMers today (at least out here in our part of the world) who don't even know what it is. Strange.
Blessings,
Tom
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JET
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| Posted 1/25/2003 1:43 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
... who don't even know what it is
What is it (MG)?
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John Earp
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| Posted 1/25/2003 3:58 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
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... who don't even know what it is
What is it (MG)?
Moral Government Theology (MGT) is a form of theology, similar in many respects to Arminianism, that finds it roots in the writings of Charles G. Finney and other "New School Calvinists" of the early 1800s. Many (but not all) modern MGT advocates also affirm Open Theism. MGT essentially has to do with righteousness and holiness of the moral law of God, man's natural ability to obey God (a.k.a. free will), and thus man's just desert of condemnation because of sin. MGT affirms man's ability to repent, believe the gospel, and obey God.
You may find several good links to Moral Government Theology websites at my website:
http://revivaltheology.net/_wsn/page2.html
(This website is in its very initial stages, but I just happen to have recently finished my Finney links page. I hope you find it informative, such as it is).
In Christ,
John Earp
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
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jeepney
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| Posted 2/3/2003 8:04 AM (GMT -6) | | Hello again,
Good to hear from you guys again. I apologize for taking so long to respond. My computer has been down. Thanks for your responses. When I think of MGT I typically consiser the form that embraces exhaustive foreknowledge as the historical MGT and the form that denys exhaustive foreknowledge as modern contemporary MGT. It may or may not be that this is an accurate way of classifying the two groups. I only recently and through this website heard of YWAM and MGT. It would be nice though to hear Bro. Andrews speak his thoughts on the subject of foreknowledge. I do have his book now but I have not finished it yet. So far he has not yet even mentioned God's foreknowledge but I still have a ways left to go in reading his book. These two posts on this website are not my first posts. It had been a while since I made a post and when I tried to log on I couldn't remember my correct password or perhaps I had been removed from the system for being inactive for so long. My former posts were under the name Yankee. Have a nice day.
Sincerly,
Jeepney
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