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Tom
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| Posted 6/24/2002 6:57 AM (GMT -6) |   | Doc-
Just finished Hasker’s God, Time, & Knowledge. Very nice. He argues that counterfactual propositions do not possess a truth-value at all. Seemed to make sense to me. I noticed in the Four Views book that you agreed with Bill Craig that "Would-Counterfactuals" do possess an eternal truth-value that God must know. I took this to mean that you agreed with him that counterfactuals of freedom do possess an eternal truth-value. Hasker grants that "would-counterfactuals" may exist, but if they are true they cannot be counterfactuals of freedom.
Did we deal with this before? I’ll check the archives.
Tom
"Every saint has a history and every sinner a future." Oscar Wilde
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Tom
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| Posted 6/26/2002 7:29 AM (GMT -6) | | Doc-
Let me try to clarify this a bit more (if only in my own mind).
In your response to Craig in the Four View’s book you criticize Molinism’s positing of counterfactuals of creaturely freedom (CFs) on three counts (p. 145), the first two of which appear to me to conflict with something on which you later in your response agree with Craig. In pointing out the Scriptural passages that are problematic for middle knowledge you mention there is only “some” scriptural warrant for holding that God knows CFs. This seems to me to express some doubt in your mind as to whether or not CFs do possess an eternal truth value. But you later (still p. 145) appear to dismiss CFs when you point out that it is impossible to account for the eternal settledness of CFs. God does not will them, nor can the agents themselves be responsible for the settledness of CFs attributed to them since agents are not eternal and retroactive causation is impossible. You conclude that Craig has no alternative but to deny that “anything grounds the eternal settledness fo future free acts of counterfactuals of creaturely freedom,” and point out that Craig can only assert that the fact of what free agents would do in every possible situation is “simply a metaphysical surd.” This you argue is “strongly counterintuitive.” What I get from this is that you deny that CFs possess an eternal truth value. If this is not what your objections mean, what do they mean?
This is why I’m surprised to read you (p. 146) concede to Craig the following: “I am persuaded that Craig is correct in claiming that propositions expressing counterfactuals of creaturely freedom have an eternal truth value and thus that God knows them as true or false.” This certainly looks to me as if you’re conceding what you had just argued against. If counterfactuals of freedom possess an eternal truth value, let me ask, what eternally grounds the truth value of counterfactuals of freedom? You had just argued on the previous page that nothing eternally grounds CFs. What’s up?
Holla back.
Tom
"Every saint has a history and every sinner a future." Oscar Wilde
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Tom
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