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Matthew Timothy Short
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Date Joined Apr 2002
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| Posted 5/13/2003 5:24 PM (GMT -6) |   | | I believe the call of experience is to risk the peril of life; exposed to injury, loss, and destruction. The price of passage through the state of things, which is the affair; to conduct myself, with what happens well, or ill; attended by the circumstance of events, both fortunate and unfortunate. Instructed by life; the skill of knowledge is taught by use, and is the call to learn. The experience of the trial, the test of the experiment, the effect upon my judgment and feelings produced by the event, is the act of one with all knowledge, the creator. Observation and experiment; made to confirm or disprove under life conditions, determined by the experimenter, that is God. The act and operation of creation; undertaken in order to discover something unknown about life, choice; choice is the subject of God’s experiment; to try me, to know my God, to perceive Him correctly, to prove me, by the trial of the experience. | | Back to Top | | |
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DLW
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| Posted 5/15/2003 8:31 AM (GMT -6) | | That still leaves God as the vivisectionist. How about a little more pain-killer down here? Or is that also part of the experiment.
No one is denying the potential/possiblity of learning from life's hard experiences, but we do not necessarily learn and sometimes the lessons we learn are the wrong ones.
Try watching the movie, "Das Experiment"
dlw
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From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
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Matthew Timothy Short
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| Posted 5/15/2003 1:51 PM (GMT -6) | |
Yeah, God’s experimentation causes some distress for all of His subjects, but you will find no minute or pitiless criticism here, though that examination of God’s psychological investigation, directed toward the will of my mind specifically, truly does cut. | | Back to Top | | |
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DLW
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| Posted 5/15/2003 2:03 PM (GMT -6) | | I remember when a fellow I was apologeticking with(He was a Bahaist, and so his beliefs were an eclectic mix of Christianity, Judaism and Islam), quoted the Koran as saying, "seest thou a flaw" and conflated seeing a flaw with challenging God.
I told him that anyone who underwent the summers and winters of Minnesota had better darn see some flaws...
I think some interesting reading would be "Leviathan and the Water-pump." It goes over the debates between Thomas Hobbes and Robert Boyle about whether or not experiments were reliable sources of knowledge.
I'd think that if God were doing experiments, then apparently he is repeating them over and over again. So there must be parallel universes that bear some resemblance to ours.
But what is the end? Is God going to get it right, eventually?
I don't like the experiment-metaphor. Ya hear that God! I'm with David of Yore, enough is enough. How much can we suffer before you've learned the totality of its effects on us?
dlw
Prayer from Kenya
From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me. | | Back to Top | | |
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Matthew Timothy Short
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Date Joined Apr 2002
Total Posts : 635
| Posted 5/15/2003 2:22 PM (GMT -6) | |
"It is occasionally asserted that James asks his readers to enjoy their trials . . . He did not say that they must feel it all joy, or that trials are all joy" – Hiebert
Jam 1:3,4 Knowing [this], that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have [her] perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
I am all for perfect and complete, lacking in nothing; being strong in character and ready for anything; count it all joy.
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DLW
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| Posted 5/15/2003 2:47 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
"It is occasionally asserted that James asks his readers to enjoy their trials . . . He did not say that they must feel it all joy, or that trials are all joy" – Hiebert
Jam 1:3,4 Knowing [this], that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have [her] perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
I am all for perfect and complete, lacking in nothing; being strong in character and ready for anything; count it all joy.
I don't think we should over-extrapolate from trials and how our faith is tried.
Last bit may be true without any reference to an experiment or EDF or whatever...
dlw
Prayer from Kenya
From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me. | | Back to Top | | |
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