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1) Haven't gotten a hold of the book yet. Hoping to soon.

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Dude, just pull up a chair and a cup of java at B&N, like ya says, and download it there.

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2) POW, my address is yielded@hotmail.com. I couldn't use this one because it was already registered HERE under my Mephi2K name. Holla!

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I sent ya a pic at your old address, did you get it?

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3) Brandon, about my profile...sometimes, in some situations, all you can do is laugh. Right?

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Ohhhh yeeeeeeaaaah....just wanted everyone to be aware that this wasn't something you were hiding and so I could put it up....but I LOVE the laugh. MuaHAHAHA!!

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4) About the Plato quote. Isn't God and "chooser" and therefore responsible for the choices GOD has made? And isn't possible that at least some of these choices have resulted in SOME use of evil? Hmmm?? God is NOT blameless...for God IS a chooser.

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Been meaning to ask you about that in light of the 9/11 thread. See, I can get a better grasp on it all from THAT angle. It seems that even in light of 9/11, there are certain elements of OT that gel with it i.e. God is responsive to creation, he is not static, God is still at war, right? Therefore, that being said, what does this say about EDF? Though I know you used the Peter example, I'm just wonder'n out loud. What does the 9/11 thing say about a blueprint as Greg had mentioned on that thread? Obviously, even in the 9/11 scenario, there is no blueprint. Both sides acknowledge that God can and does at times act unilaterally, however, what does this say about, “this world God brought about?” That is, even in this reality, though there are “rules” that God doesn’t normally “suspend,” this does not mean that he does this (act unilaterally) at just anytime he wants as we had mentioned. I can really understand God acting unilaterally in terms of the theodicy presented on that thread and your thoughts on it, cool stuff, but it doesn’t seem to answer the question of why there would be evil in the first place? See what I’m saying? If God could act unilaterally, (which nobody doubts) why not put a “stop action” from the start? Something there that is irrevocable?

Anyway, just thinking out loud. This is really not the thread for this discussion, so maybe we could start another thread on it this section. Whacha think?


Brandon
"Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs
www.darwinhobbs.com

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Been meaning to ask you about that in light of the 9/11 thread. See, I can get a better grasp on it all from THAT angle. It seems that even in light of 9/11, there are certain elements of OT that gel with it i.e. God is responsive to creation, he is not static, God is still at war, right? Therefore, that being said, what does this say about EDF? Though I know you used the Peter example, I'm just wonder'n out loud. What does the 9/11 thing say about a blueprint as Greg had mentioned on that thread? Obviously, even in the 9/11 scenario, there is no blueprint. Both sides acknowledge that God can and does at times act unilaterally, however, what does this say about, "this world God brought about?" That is, even in this reality, though there are "rules"that God doesn’t normally "suspend," this does not mean that he does this (act unilaterally) at just anytime he wants as we had mentioned. I can really understand God acting unilaterally in terms of the theodicy presented on that thread and your thoughts on it, cool stuff, but it doesn’t seem to answer the question of why there would be evil in the first place? See what I’m saying? If God could act unilaterally, (which nobody doubts) why not put a "stop action" from the start? Something there that is irrevocable?

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I want to get down on this one. Could you do me a favor and tell me exactly which thread we're talking about? I need to backtrack a little and get some context. Then I can rip it. Preciate it. I have a distinct feeling that this is going to end up going back to the "couldn't/wouldn't" idea. We'll see.



PS: I did get the picture. Super tight, man. Like the glasses. And I gotta get to Barnes and Noble!!!


"Smile. It could be worse." --from a good friend.

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Cool stuff.

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I know.

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I want to get down on this one. Could you do me a favor and tell me exactly which thread we're talking about? I need to backtrack a little and get some context. Then I can rip it. Preciate it. I have a distinct feeling that this is going to end up going back to the "couldn't/wouldn't" idea. We'll see.

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Here's the url:

www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1469

Believe me, there's a lot to backtrack. Also, it seems that "libertarian freewill" fits nicely into the 9/11 scenario, though God works compatibilistically with freewill agents, that is with the solidification of their characters. Yet, liberatarian freewill as discussed in Beyond the Bounds, is negatively assessed. It SEEMS more in keeping with what you have talked about in the distant past. So that will also have to be discussed as well. By the way, Greg was the one that brought up the "rules in the first place" deal and it seems like it really never got dealt with.

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PS: I did get the picture. Super tight, man. Like the glasses. And I gotta get to Barnes and Noble!!!

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Thanks. Glasses are titanium. They make me look cool.

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"Smile. It could be worse." --from a good friend.

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Don't wanna go there...

Brandon
"Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs
www.darwinhobbs.com

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BBBCanada: Going to hell? Of course silly!!! HA! HA! HA! That’s funny! Ahhhh…(big sigh)…ok. Answer?

Bob: Okay, so it's clear that you think my question is "silly"... but could you please answer it? It was not rhetorical. I would like to know what you, as an Open Theist, think about non-Open Theists. What is their "fate"? Are they doomed to a lost life believing a lie that has been fed to them from long, long ago? Are they not saved and thus, headed for Hades? I realize it's a laughable question to you, but I am not seeking your opinion on the intelligence of my question; I am seeking an honest answer. Thanks.

Honorman: Answer? There is the FAITH component. But I think something needs to be clear here. Theology is an enterprise

Bob: This is the answer? I'm looking for a "yes" or a "no". Are non Open Theists going to hell because of their beliefs???

Also, what exactly do you mean that "theology is an enterprise?" According to Websters dictionary, an enterprise is a "project undertaken; adventurous spirit or ingenuity; a business firm." Which of those definitions are you alluding to?

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