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|  might-be-don Registered Member
 Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 830 | Posted 5/16/2003 8:35 AM (GMT -6) |   | Tigress,
Once, when my wife was away on a trip, I started to try and think through how I would conduct my life if she didn't come back. After the first minute the future looked so bleak I concluded that it was a bad idea to even think about it.
I couldn't even imagine trying to date now. I doubt very seriously I could attract one of those young perfect ones now ( and as the Doc would be quick to point out, I couldn't have done it earlier either ).
I'm not going to pray that you are able to gracefully endure your singleness, you need a man! Godspeed.
peace and love, don
--- "No Rules, just Right" Outback Steakhouse | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Laika Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 2433 | Posted 5/16/2003 8:41 AM (GMT -6) |   | Might Be might-be-don
quote:
I doubt very seriously I could attract one of those young perfect ones now
Dude, the young ones aren't perfect. It's taken me 21 years to train this one in, I'd hate to start over, ya know.

Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through? | | Back to Top | | |
 |  groovychick Registered Member
 Date Joined May 2003 Total Posts : 14 | Posted 5/16/2003 8:48 AM (GMT -6) |   | Hey Gina! God's got great plans for your love life. Hang in there girl! Don't stop praying and don't get bummed out. When the time comes, its gonna be right and a good thing! Prayers, patience, perseverence. It's gonna pay off for you! Do what ya need to do to and leave the rest to God!
To God Be the Glory, Great Things He Hath Done! | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Laika Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 2433 | Posted 5/16/2003 8:51 AM (GMT -6) |   | groovychick(jury still out) sez:
quote:
Hey Gina! God's got great plans for your love life. Hang in there girl! Don't stop praying and don't get bummed out. When the time comes, its gonna be right and a good thing! Prayers, patience, perseverence. It's gonna pay off for you! Do what ya need to do to and leave the rest to God!
Gina is ReasonableDoubt and does not have problems with "love life". Tigress is the one that's wanting a husband. Correct your scorecard.

Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?
Edited by - Laika on 05/16/2003 1:54:16 PM | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Tigress Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1252 | Posted 5/16/2003 8:52 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
quote:
quote: This seems to contradict the Truth that God can and does provide all good things to His children.
If you search the archives you would find that much talk has been made over suffering being a good thing. So maybe there is no contradiction.
peace and love, don
--- "No Rules, just Right" Outback Steakhouse
AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanna husband!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tigress
The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them. -Psalm 34:7
Sorry...don't mind me...I'm just desperate and horny!  
Tigress
The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them. -Psalm 34:7 | | Back to Top | | |
 |  might-be-don Registered Member
 Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 830 | Posted 5/16/2003 8:55 AM (GMT -6) |   | Tigress,
Toooooooo much information!
peace and love, don
--- "No Rules, just Right" Outback Steakhouse | | Back to Top | | |
 |  S.B.G. Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 143 | Posted 5/16/2003 9:07 AM (GMT -6) |   | "Sorry...don't mind me...I'm just desperate and horny!"
Tigress,
You might want to wait until the second date to share this information! 
S.B.G.
To understand and to be understood is bliss. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Laika Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 2433 | Posted 5/16/2003 9:11 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
"Sorry...don't mind me...I'm just desperate and horny!"
Tigress,
You might want to wait until the second date to share this information! 
S.B.G.
It might actually guarantee her a second date. doh!

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 |  S.B.G. Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 143 | Posted 5/16/2003 9:15 AM (GMT -6) |   | Laika, Now you're just being naughty! 
It'll get her a date, but not a husband!
S.B.G.
To understand and to be understood is bliss.
Edited by - S.B.G. on 05/16/2003 2:36:03 PM | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Tigress Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1252 | Posted 5/16/2003 10:17 AM (GMT -6) |   | Oh, come on! You all knew this was my problem - or a big source of it anyway! But, seriously, sex is not my only reason for wanting a husband so don't get all worried or preachy with me about it. I'm just goofin' around here!
Tigress
The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them. -Psalm 34:7 | | Back to Top | | |
 |  S.B.G. Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 143 | Posted 5/16/2003 10:19 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Oh, come on! You all knew this was my problem - or a big source of it anyway! But, seriously, sex is not my only reason for wanting a husband so don't get all worried or preachy with me about it. I'm just goofin' around here!
Tigress
The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them. -Psalm 34:7
You sweet girl we're just teasing!
Actually, I admire your honesty.
S.B.G.
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 |  might-be-don Registered Member
 Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 830 | Posted 5/16/2003 11:45 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote: But, seriously, sex is not my only reason for wanting a husband so don't get all worried or preachy with me about it. I'm just goofin' around here!
Just so you don't think I'm preachy... we discuss everything around here. Maybe this will help: www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=270
peace and love, don
--- "No Rules, just Right" Outback Steakhouse | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Tigress Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1252 | Posted 5/16/2003 11:56 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
quote: But, seriously, sex is not my only reason for wanting a husband so don't get all worried or preachy with me about it. I'm just goofin' around here!
Just so you don't think I'm preachy... we discuss everything around here. Maybe this will help: www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=270
peace and love, don
--- "No Rules, just Right" Outback Steakhouse
Well, that certainly grabbed my attention!
Tigress
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 |  Tigress Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1252 | Posted 5/16/2003 11:58 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
quote:
quote: But, seriously, sex is not my only reason for wanting a husband so don't get all worried or preachy with me about it. I'm just goofin' around here!
Just so you don't think I'm preachy... we discuss everything around here. Maybe this will help: www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=270
peace and love, don
--- "No Rules, just Right" Outback Steakhouse
Well, that certainly grabbed my attention!
Tigress
The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them. -Psalm 34:7
Oops! I meant to type the word "grabbed" in all caps. Leave it to me to screw up a good joke!
Tigress
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 |  BBBCanada Registered Member

Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 5/16/2003 1:43 PM (GMT -6) |   | I think this is a VERY good subject. Know why? Cause of all the years that we have been on this board, I do not recall dealing with personal guidance on a deep level, which is surprising. What Tigress' question does though, is bring ALL THIS TALK about providence and freewill down to "street level." Indeed, there are deeper issues here.
Though I think she brings up some good questions? In light of personal guidance, they are a rather MOOT point. That is to say, that when it comes down to whether you are a freewill theist or not, the question of personal guidance cuts across the spectrum. In other words, I think both Terry and Laika with his speil on immigrants are right on target.
I have been thinking of personal guidance for the past couple of weeks and I hope to do a thread on it next month.
Brandon "Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs www.darwinhobbs.com | | Back to Top | | |
 |  DLW Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 2457 | Posted 5/16/2003 1:59 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
I think this is a VERY good subject. Know why? Cause of all the years that we have been on this board, I do not recall dealing with personal guidance on a deep level, which is surprising. What Tigress' question does though, is bring ALL THIS TALK about providence and freewill down to "street level." Indeed, there are deeper issues here.
Though I think she brings up some good questions? In light of personal guidance, they are a rather MOOT point. That is to say, that when it comes down to whether you are a freewill theist or not, the question of personal guidance cuts across the spectrum. In other words, I think both Terry and Laika with his speil on immigrants are right on target.
I have been thinking of personal guidance for the past couple of weeks and I hope to do a thread on it next month.
Huh? Is that a way of saying that rules about meeting people, developing relationships, building marriages work irregardless of one's theology?
dlw
Prayer from Kenya
From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth, From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth, From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth, Lord Deliver Me. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  might-be-don Registered Member
 Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 830 | Posted 5/17/2003 1:18 AM (GMT -6) |   | Brandon,
Get that thread going... this has been a hot topic around my house lately as my daughter just graduated from college.
peace and love, don
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 |  BBBCanada Registered Member

Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 5/17/2003 5:42 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote: Huh? Is that a way of saying that rules about meeting people, developing relationships, building marriages work irregardless of one's theology?
dlw
Hmmm...good question. Terry's and Laika's posts can be applied regardless of which side of the providence issue you fall on.
In saying this, I am NOT saying that one's theology doesn't effect their engagement with life, i.e. if I believe a certain eschatology, then to the degree that I am engaged in culture will be affected by said eschatology. Back in the 50's, 60's and 70's the predominant eschatological view was the Hal Lindsey type. Most Christians thought that the world was going to hell in a hand basket because of their view of the end times (things are going to happen this way, things are going to get worse), so why bother trying to "reverse the curse?" And things did get worse, so, along came the Moral Majority. So, no problem there. Yes, one's theology does affect one's engagment with life.
Having said that, that is why I think personal guidance is important. But I think one can hold to a either a blueprint model or a freewill model, yet their understanding of personal guidance, is in terms of all practicality, not effected by either.
Greg has said in "God of the Possible" that the reason why the church is prayerless is because of the blueprint model. If I recall, he says that we should judge theology on the basis of "outcomes." Blueprint=prayerlessness. However, I'm not inclined to believe that this is all there is to the story. It may not be so much the blueprint model, as such, but one's view of personal guidance that has achieved this result. That is to say, one's view of personal guidance not only affects their life in terms of prayer but also in terms of being engaged with the whole of life.
In a nutshell, the blueprint model can affect one's prayer life (will you or won't you pray?). But the blueprint model doesn't HAVE TO affect personal guidance. One's view of personal guidance affects one's prayer life (will you or won't you pray) as well as one's involvement in life, but is NOT affected BY the blueprint model. I'm convince that much prayerlessness is a result of one's view of personal guidance.
quote: Brandon,
Get that thread going... this has been a hot topic around my house lately as my daughter just graduated from college.
peace and love, don
--- "No Rules, just Right" Outback Steakhouse
For you MBD? I just might have to go nuts on it sooner than later. 
Brandon "Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs www.darwinhobbs.com | | Back to Top | | |
 |  DLW Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 2457 | Posted 5/17/2003 5:54 AM (GMT -6) |   | I personally believe either theology/approaches impact is indeterminate. The Blue-print can lead to fatalism, or it can lead to people taking on daunting tasks for which failure is very likely. Why, they believe it is God's will for their life.
Similarly, the OVT can also lead to angst-ridden-rocking-back-and-forth-in-a-fetal-position-in-one's-room-type response, whereby the fear over the consequences if one doesn't pray hard enough predominates.
(I stopped doing the latter a while ago...)
dlw
Prayer from Kenya
From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth, From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth, From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth, Lord Deliver Me.
Edited by - DLW on 05/17/2003 8:10:15 PM | | Back to Top | | |
 |  John Earp Registered Member
 Date Joined Oct 2002 Total Posts : 1715 | Posted 5/17/2003 12:17 PM (GMT -6) |   | Hi Tigress,
Though I'm a guy, believe me when I say that I can certainly understand your difficulty of dealing with singleness and finding God's right person for you.
I think one big problem with this issue in one's life IS the pervasiveness of the blueprint model, when one tries to actually live it out in real life. This is I think is why the worry about "finding the right person" can seem very daunting--what if "the right person" chooses to do other than the will of God?
I think that problem is avoided by getting rid of the romanticized ideal of "finding Mister Right," and instead focusing on "being Mrs. Right." If the supposed Mister Right rebelled against God's will, then he of course was not in fact Mister Right, or at least chose to stop being Mister Right, correct?
When we look at "the perfect will of God" as an ultimate life focus of "loving God supremely and one's neighbor as oneself," then details tend to not mean so much, and we can focus on becoming the kind of person God can show himself through. The perfect will of God is that we be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. If we can better reflect Christ as a single person, so be it. In 1 Cor. 7 Paul seems to say that not all are able to best serve God and others as a single person. (I know for me this was not the case--I HAD to get married!)
When we stop checking out every "available" person we meet to see if they could be "the one," I think we are much more free to be ourselves. I do think this is more difficult for women to deal with than with men, especially nowadays in our gender-bending society. It seems to me that women are usually much more inclined to be "receivers" rather than "pursuers."
Advice from someone who absolutely couldn't be happier in marriage right now, and who just a few years ago was very miserable single:
1. Pray.
2. Ask God to make you into a woman a godly man would find irresistable. (Not that you aren't, but just in case).
3. Realize that "Prince Charming" (or whoever your ideal is) is not necessarily who you are looking for, and even if he is you will definitely not ride off into the sunset and live happily ever after. (Please forgive the demolition of the whole fairy-tale thing, but I think this is what many women have in their minds, whether they admit it or not). What I mean is, even with the best match, marriage will always be a work of love in progress.
4. Learn to be content through Jesus Christ "in whatever state" you find yourself, as Paul said he had.
5. Never settle for a spouse who will be a negative influence on you spiritually.
6. Don't stop praying for the Lord to guide you. Get to know Him so intimately through prayer and the Bible that hearing his voice is not so difficult.
7. My wife says, "Don't read romance novels."
"In all your ways acknowledge Him, and he shall direct your paths."
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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Edited by - John Earp on 05/17/2003 5:34:44 PM
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 |  Tigress Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1252 | Posted 5/19/2003 6:33 AM (GMT -6) |   | BBBCanada wrote, ["I think this is a VERY good subject. Know why? Cause of all the years that we have been on this board, I do not recall dealing with personal guidance on a deep level, which is surprising. What Tigress' question does though, is bring ALL THIS TALK about providence and freewill down to "street level." Indeed, there are deeper issues here."]
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be an insult, but if it is, it's the reason most nonChristians want nothing to do with Christians or Christianity.
Tigress
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 |  ReasonableDoubt Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 655 | Posted 5/19/2003 10:47 AM (GMT -6) |   | Well, to sound quite Calvinistic, if God wants you to get married, you will. It's like a lot of different things in life that come to you when you stop dwelling on them. So many people say they found "The one" when they were least looking. When you're happy with yourself and satisified with your life, you draw people to you who are more likely to be the kind of people you want.
If you are desperate for a spouse, people sense that, and you come across as needy, either repelling people, or drawing people to you who will abuse and use you.
I think we need to ask ourselves why the evangelical divorce rate hovers around 50% just like the non-christian rate. Do you feel societal pressure to get married just b/c everyone else does? I am not married- not to say I won't be someday, but I am really fine being single, in fact, it is great. I see so many of my friends tied down to marriages that they are not happy in.
The "Church" is worse than society in general in pressuring people to fit in and be married - ask any single who attends church alone how fun that is. But there is no Biblical mandate to be married - in fact, Paul implies just the opposite - that it is better to not marry. That seems to never be focused on.
it's much better to be alone than married to the wrong person. Basing your own happiness on someone else's value judgment of whether they want to marry you is a recipe for disaster. You don't need anyone but God for your own self worth.
I'm not saying that you don't have self-worth- mind you- not at all! I just am trying to be helpful.
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 |  Tigress Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1252 | Posted 5/19/2003 11:46 AM (GMT -6) |   | Reasonable Doubt, You raised some good points - much of which I've heard before. I can't tell you how much I've heard people say, "Make God the center of your life. Get your self-worth from Him alone. Learn to be happy single, or else you'll never be truly happy married." I understand all that. But what I'm asking is this:
If a person has done all this, and still hasn't been provided with a spouse, and God wants him/her to have one, but all of the best potential ones have refused for whatever reason, what does that say about prayer, God's will, free agents, etc.? (My, that was a run-on sentence if I ever saw one!)
I mean, I know so many singles who are so together and would make excellent spouses, yet even though they'd like to get married, no one's asking or accepting. I know a 35-year-old guy that would make an absolutely excellent husband to someone but he gets rejected probably based on his looks, because he's about 5'10", overweight and bald. (I dated him in 1997, but that was before I had counseling and started taking medication and I did some irreparable damage to that relationship, so now he won't consider me for his wife.) But, he deserves a good Christian woman, but either the good ones are all taken (which I know isn't true,) or they're rejecting him for shallow reasons.
I especiallly see this happen to women. I've been in lots of different coed Bible study groups and all the prettiest women get snatched up by either the guys in the group or others, while the rest of us plain/ordinary women get left behind. Sometimes I think even Christian people are far too worldly in their expectations of beauty. Maybe that's one of the biggest reasons the Christian divorce rate is so high. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the people snagged the best-looking person they could and figured that just because they were Christians everything would be alright. But, instead the differences in their personalities clashed and the good looks just couldn't help them get along anymore.
Tigress
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 |  ReasonableDoubt Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 655 | Posted 5/19/2003 12:03 PM (GMT -6) |   | Tigress- ever watch Jerry Springer?? There are a lot of ugly people who are married...:)
I think it's a mistake to think Christians are any different than anyone else. They may say that they only look on the inner person - but let's face it, in our society looks matter - and that doesn't make any difference what religion you are.
To answer your question - "If a person has done all this, and still hasn't been provided with a spouse, and God wants him/her to have one, but all of the best potential ones have refused for whatever reason, what does that say about prayer, God's will, free agents, etc.? "
How do you know God wants you to have a spouse? I don't know how that can be definitively known. Regardless, God doesn't HAVE to do anything, he doesn't have to supply anyone w/ the right spouse. I just think the more one dwells on what they don't have, the worse off they are, they make themselves unhappy, and thus other people are not attracted to them anyway. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  John Earp Registered Member
 Date Joined Oct 2002 Total Posts : 1715 | Posted 5/19/2003 7:13 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
BBBCanada wrote, ["I think this is a VERY good subject. Know why? Cause of all the years that we have been on this board, I do not recall dealing with personal guidance on a deep level, which is surprising. What Tigress' question does though, is bring ALL THIS TALK about providence and freewill down to "street level." Indeed, there are deeper issues here."]
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be an insult, but if it is, it's the reason most nonChristians want nothing to do with Christians or Christianity.
Tigress
Hi Tigress,
I don't think BBBCanada was aiming that at you. It seems to me that he was just saying that the issue of personal guidance is something that needs to be discussed here, as it is ultimately a "deeper issue" than providence, free will, open view vs. determinism, etc. I really don't think he was trying to say anything directly about you.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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