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Questioning
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| Posted 9/1/2002 4:03 PM (GMT -6) |   | This is a fantastic thread! The initial question was raised from Mr. Geisler's book on Open Theism. It just so happens that Mr. Geisler will be at my church presenting a seminar on "Defending Your Faith". I am confident that the issue of Open Theism will be disscussed Either by Mr. Geisler or someone from the audience. If I get a chance I may even direct a question toward Mr. Geisler. Any suggestions?
kc
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/1/2002 4:07 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
It just so happens that Mr. Geisler will be at my church presenting a seminar on "Defending Your Faith".
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Questioning
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| Posted 9/2/2002 5:13 AM (GMT -6) | | Al2Si2H4O9,
Richmond,VA is the location. The specific address is undetermined at this time. The church does not have their own facility. I hope this helps.
kc
BTW...Is there some meaning behind the name "Al2Si2H4O9"
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Questioning
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| Posted 9/2/2002 5:13 AM (GMT -6) | | Al2Si2H4O9,
Richmond,VA is the location. The specific address is undetermined at this time. The church does not have their own facility. I hope this helps.
kc
BTW...Is there some meaning behind the name "Al2Si2H4O9"
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/2/2002 5:24 AM (GMT -6) | | Question: Is there some meaning behind the name "Al2Si2H4O9"
Answer: "Al2Si2H4O9" is the mineral "kaolin," which is what porcelain clay is. But "Al" is just fine for here.
A chemical model of kaolin is in the image below.
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Tom
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| Posted 9/2/2002 7:10 AM (GMT -6) | | KCY-
I'm from Richmond. Are you in the area?
Tom
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Lee Merrill
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| Posted 9/2/2002 9:53 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Lee: As far as "scaling out" is concerned, a similar view can be taken with the expression, "the arm of God," which, when scaled up, has nothing to do with an actual arm as we experience it.
Tom: Oh but it has everything to do with our experience of actual arms. Our experience and use of physical arms (to “do,” to “accomplish,” to “perform,” even to “strike,” “defend,” etc.) is what makes “arm” an appropriate metaphor for God in the first place. Our experience of “arm” is the road which the meaning of “the arm of God” travels on. If “God’s arm” has nothing to do with an actual arm as WE experience it, then the phrase “God’s arm” can reveal nothing about God to us. Do we agree on this much, Lee?
Yes, I agree, before we scale up the concept, but after scaling up, we no longer have reference to an actual arm, that is all that I meant.
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When a car is put together on an assembly line by machines, the machines “respond.” The car “changes.” At the interpersonal level, however, we wouldn’t admit that such preplanned changes and responses are the “stuff” relationships of integrity are made of.
Mephi: Open view theists want to say that the God/human relationship is reciprocal at the most FUNDAMENTAL level of reality. Our interactions are not merely phenomenological FOR US...
That is a desirable aim, and I believe that our choices are real, but that they are included in God's choices, in ways that we cannot (easily) comprehend.
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God’s experience and ours, then are still, as you say, not “the same,” but they’re still similar, which is what analogies are. But I don’t see that you leave any similarity upon which we are able to embrace “God changed his mind” as meaningfully revealing God to us.
I would agree, "God changed his mind" is not part of God's response to us, I would hope to have "nacham" translated some other way.
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I think we can conceive of regretting previous decisions without that regret being an emotional reaction to sin. I think we do this all the time. Can you think of any examples?
Yes, I regret some choices that I have made that weren't sinful choices per se.
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Tom (earlier): How does one know, for example, that “God loves” is not equally as anthropomorphic as “God regrets”?
Lee: “God loves" is indeed far beyond our experiences of loving others, and in that sense is anthropomorphic. But it means much more than what we mean, not less, and certainly not the opposite of "man loves." [italics mine]
Tom: Eureka! You struck gold brother! Hallelujah! Gather up folks, the drinks are on me!
Carry this same reasoning over to “God expected what did not come to pass,” “God regretted making humanity,” “God changed his mind,” “God led the Jews the long way through the desert because he said [to himself!], ‘They might (why would God think in “maybes” to himself?) face war, might become discouraged, and might return to Egypt’,” and cash in your gold discovery! God may be infinitely more than he is described in such passages as these, but he is not—you said it—less than or contrary to these passages describe him to be. That’s all open theists want to claim.
Not less than or contrary, I agree, only I would remove the human element of indecision, just as I remove the human element in reference to God's arm. The crucial question is 'what parts of these analogies are relevant?' That is where we have our discussion.
God bless you,
Lee
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barneebus
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| Posted 9/2/2002 11:42 AM (GMT -6) | | God forgets because he has the power to forget if He chooses. Otherwise he would not be truly omnipotent, would He?
And he can change His mind, because His response is, in some cases, contingent upon our actions.
This causes more trouble for Calvinists than for Arminians.
But God knew that would be the case. 
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Questioning
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| Posted 9/2/2002 3:50 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
KCY-
I'm from Richmond. Are you in the area?
Tom
"Every saint has a history and every sinner a future." Oscar Wilde
Tom,
Yes, I reside in Richmond. What parts of Richmond were your old stomping grounds?
kc
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Tom
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| Posted 9/2/2002 7:11 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Yes, I reside in Richmond. What parts of Richmond were your old stomping grounds?
kc
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Used to live southside off of Heugonot Road, then in Mechanicsville on the northside. I have two brothers-in-law that pastor there; one pastors Trinity A/G, southside, by Chesterfield Town Center, and the other pastors Mechanicsville Christian Center. I love Richmond. Lots of history.
Blessings,
Tom
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Questioning
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| Posted 9/8/2002 1:14 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
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Yes, I reside in Richmond. What parts of Richmond were your old stomping grounds?
kc
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Used to live southside off of Heugonot Road, then in Mechanicsville on the northside. I have two brothers-in-law that pastor there; one pastors Trinity A/G, southside, by Chesterfield Town Center, and the other pastors Mechanicsville Christian Center. I love Richmond. Lots of history.
Blessings,
Tom
"Every saint has a history and every sinner a future." Oscar Wilde
Tom,
I know the location. I am close to the town center. Everyday I cross Heugonot and Alverser. If your interested in continuing this conversation you can email me know then I will email you.
kc
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