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fr.patmos
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| Posted 1/17/2002 6:18 PM (GMT -6) |   | "the gift of Christ's life - his humanity
(he became one of us);
the gift, in his dying - his divinity
(behold, the One whose life is
given for us)"
the Lamb is the Son who is, from the
beginning, with God, and is God.
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fr.patmos
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| Posted 1/30/2002 7:23 PM (GMT -6) | | I wonder why the meaning of the cross
is so marginalized ...
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 1/31/2002 4:30 AM (GMT -6) | | Here-ya-go, fr.patmos!
Search each page for "cross."
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fr.patmos
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pia†desideria
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| Posted 1/31/2002 5:34 AM (GMT -6) | | fr.patmos, I’m interested in your insight on my “Metaphysics, misanthropy, and meaning—oh my!” thread. Thanks, pia
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fr.patmos
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| Posted 1/31/2002 9:24 AM (GMT -6) | | pia
just read the question you pose for the thread, then perused the discussion.
Look forward to a thorough read after the work day ...
initial response: God's self-revelation and
self-giving through the Incarnation is, at the same time, an absolute assertion of divine prerogative that we cannot, and ought not, seek to take that which can only be given - that which grace gives. I go with Forde all the way on this.
I believe that what enshackles the faithful from knowing God clearly and vibrantly through Christ (and through that Light, seeing/knowing into all things) is the arrogant and foolish assumption that we really do, or can, know anything at all about God before and apart from Christ.
"the law was given through Moses ... but
grace and truth, through Jesus Christ."
The point in John's witness is the absolute
magnitude of contrast between what (of God)
can be seen apart from Christ (i.e. darkness)
vs. what His unique and complete Light reveals.
The first thing we really know, which is the basis for all faith and all knowing, is God's gift of self-disclosure in the Incarnation: "We know love by this ..."
God is so revealed, at variance with the matrix; the matrix is thus exposed, and it is given to us to see: backwards and forwards, inside and out;
in Truth, for the very first time.
"Thy kingdom come" is prayer for this new vision, which anticipates - then shall welcome - consummate knowing. Creation
so aches to, at last!!!, see itself in the eyes of Christ.
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pia†desideria
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| Posted 1/31/2002 10:03 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
pia
just read the question you pose for the thread, then perused the discussion.
Look forward to a thorough read after the work day ...
initial response: God's self-revelation and
self-giving through the Incarnation is, at the same time, an absolute assertion of divine prerogative that we cannot, and ought not, seek to take that which can only be given - that which grace gives. I go with Forde all the way on this.
I believe that what enshackles the faithful from knowing God clearly and vibrantly through Christ (and through that Light, seeing/knowing into all things) is the arrogant and foolish assumption that we really do, or can, know anything at all about God before and apart from Christ.
"the law was given through Moses ... but
grace and truth, through Jesus Christ."
The point in John's witness is the absolute
magnitude of contrast between what (of God)
can be seen apart from Christ (i.e. darkness)
vs. what His unique and complete Light reveals.
The first thing we really know, which is the basis for all faith and all knowing, is God's gift of self-disclosure in the Incarnation: "We know love by this ..."
God is so revealed, at variance with the matrix; the matrix is thus exposed, and it is given to us to see: backwards and forwards, inside and out;
in Truth, for the very first time.
"Thy kingdom come" is prayer for this new vision, which anticipates - then shall welcome - consummate knowing. Creation
so aches to, at last!!!, see itself in the eyes of Christ.
Thanks for taking the time, fr.patmos. You bless me. pia
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fr.patmos
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| Posted 1/31/2002 1:35 PM (GMT -6) | | pia
this venue is rather conservative and dispassionate in what claims are made -
whatever would break with gravity here
must first prove itself before
receiving license to fly.
This is the nature and purpose of academic
discussion.
But I suspect you have found, or will find,
a venue in which you fly, first ...
i.e. proclaim! You ponder and articulate
a message which simply must take flight.
(faith, given possession of far more
than what you know!)
God bless that message with Life!
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 1/31/2002 4:13 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Thanks for taking the time, fr.patmos. You bless me. pia
Me too. 
Brandon
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fr.patmos
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fr.patmos
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| Posted 2/12/2002 8:55 PM (GMT -6) | | God's blood, at our violent hands,
unto His dying
upon the wood
for the guilty
we are
unto His rising
He seeks us
with scarred hands
we are the ones who
called God into question
and rejected God
from the beginning
It is the violence of our sin
this rejection of God
that spurned him from the beginning
and murdered the coming of His Son
and still, resurrected,
He comes
He is the Lord to whom
every knee shall bow
every knee,
all the fellow-murderers of Christ.
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