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PotOnWheel
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| Posted Yesterday 4:39 PM (GMT -6) |   | honorman: I suppose I would have to wonder what the author meant by "operation." I think one runs into problems when a person says God is "in the world," in a sense because God cannot truly be in the world if God is truly spirit, for it seems to me that a person is talking about two different modes of existance...let me think a little more on the subject before commenting further.
Hi, honorman. Think of whether the creator can create. That's where this is at. Simply put: God, by his Word created, and upholds the world. That upholding qualifies as an example of the "operation" by that author. Byzantine theology calls it God's divine uncreated "energies." That's what the author meant by "operation."
Perhaps you meant something else when you said "in the world." Does the Incarnation better fit that meaning?
BTW - God's "mode of existance" (ontology) is Communion.
How's it going?
Al
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted Yesterday 5:31 PM (GMT -6) | | honorman, this might be helpful:
If the Father is the personal cause of the hypostases [Person], he is also, for that very reason, the principle of their common possession of one and the same nature; and in that sense, He is the "source" of the common divinity of the Three. The revelation of this nature, the externalization of the unknowable essence of the Three, is not a reality foreign to the Three hypostases. Every energy, every manifestation, comes from the Father, is expressed in the Son, and goes forth in the Holy Spirit. This procession -- natural, "energetic," manifesting -- must be clearly distinguished from hypostatic procession, which is personal, internal, from the Father alone. The same monarchy of the Father conditions both the hypostatic procession of the Holy Spirit -- His personal existence un ununu nunu ununununu -- and the manifesting, natural procession of the common Godhead ad extra in the Holy Spirit, through the Con -- nunun. (Losky, "In the Image and Likeness of God" pp. 91-92) | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 11/11/2002 5:55 AM (GMT -6) | | Gguskid: I didn't answer your question, sorry.
AS far as classical theists accepting the nuanced view of the OV as valid, no I don't think that is the case. But, considering with the exception of Norman Geisler, the major opposition has come from reformed believers, it poses them with a dilemma. I believe, as with Arminians, reformed believers, as much as they don't want to, are basically forced to recognize that open theists believe the basic tenets of the Christian faith and they are forced to admit they are believers. So it is hard for them to deal with a theology they believe is wrong and yet admit that those who follow it are Christian.
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gguskid
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| Posted 11/11/2002 7:22 AM (GMT -6) | | No problem on the delay.
A few of quick things:
1) My book is on order and should arrive Thur. or so of this week. (Apparently, according to B&N, there are only 200 copies nationwide. WOW!!). As soon as I get it I’ll get to reading.
2) It isn’t surprising that the greatest opposition comes from the reformed camp. They had their issue with Arminius back in the days. You’ve probably heard of 5 point Calvinist right? Well did you know there are 6 point Calvinists. The first 5 points are all the same with the 6th point being that the previous five are all inspired.
3) I’m still curious as to why you think it’s better to think in term of Historical Christianity as opposed to a Biblical History RE: this question from an earlier post: “why not the God of Biblical History? I think you will find that OT's seek a Biblically accurate description of God. The intent is to identify God in His truest character forms from a Biblical perspective rather than purely philosophical. After all, God is the God of the Bible and it is His revelatory gift to us in order that we might know Him more and be known as His.”
4) Grace to you in trying to keep from getting completely lost in your discussions with Al. There is a faster processor in that cranium and it’s hard to keep up. No “pan” or “dis” on Al, hopefully complimentary;-)
Until That Time…
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 11/11/2002 10:55 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
4) Grace to you in trying to keep from getting completely lost in your discussions with Al. There is a faster processor in that cranium and it’s hard to keep up. No “pan” or “dis” on Al, hopefully complimentary;-)
Maybe. But I've got a mightly slow boot-up. That's maybe why I can identify with my current special ed. students! I just try to have a good grasp of the few things that I think that I do know and understand; and then relate (or compare/contrast -- like I had my college students do in art history survey) new things to that.
But, sometimes I'm really slow.
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