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Beavis
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| Posted 2/15/2002 7:17 AM (GMT -6) |   | Hold Everything a minute here.
I would like to add a legal theory twist to the classical Free will vs. Divine Foreknowledge. I contract law an offer is not offer if no exchange of consideration takes places, for example, If I say "Hey doc, if you promise to help me with my latin, I will promise to wash your car" this is not an offer it is nothing because no consideration is exchanged only promises. Now in the Gospels Christ preaches an offer that is "I you repent and believe" "I will give you life everlasting" this is an offer, paid for with his own blood and accepted by us and we are baptized as an outward sign we accept this offer. Now that one has accepted they have "sold" themselves to Christ as bondservants. Free will in the truest sense no longer exists for this person, they sold it. Now God has "Divine Certiori" over your life if you choose to not pay up when called upon to this or that, He has right to employ "persuasion with extreme prejudice" (see Jonah) I mean If being swallowed by a whale is not persuasion w/ prejudice I dont know what is. Second to unwind this deal all consideration must be restored (crucify Christ anew) this would reqire past-causeation on the believers part because in order for consideration to be restored one must put God back into the position before the cross, give him back all the pain and suffering not to mention all the humiliation inflicted just in coming here, this of course connot be done. Therefore ones deal with God canot be annuled. If chooses to Influence you with prejudice as he did jonah well did you not sell Him the right to do so?
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might-be-don
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| Posted 2/15/2002 7:50 AM (GMT -6) | | It seems that many around here would be quick to remind you that this isn't about law, it's about relationship.
That aside, I try to live like I am not my own, bought with a price. It's the most I can do.
peace and love, don
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 2/15/2002 6:24 PM (GMT -6) | | Amen, Don.
Beavis, the one who has been freed from the slavery to sin and death is the only one that actually is "free". So, sorry; you got a false reading with your academic exercise.
As Don said, its about relationship.
The crucial thing is the problem with human nature that needed solved. By His unjust death He liberated mankind, embracing our pain and death by His own free choice. "Christ became incarnate and cured human nature."
As to the solution: "...a person who is associated with Christ must . . .get rid of the rule of death, which is deeply rooted in human nature."
As Metropolitan Hierotheos S. Vlachos writes:
For this reason, anyone who desires the life of Christ, which is held in heaven and will be given as an inheritance through the rising of the dead, feels joy and delight in his soul, while feeling sorrow in the flesh, i.e., he feels the pain and grief caused by temptations [ 29 ].
Although he feels pain in the flesh because of voluntary or involuntary temptations, a person who lives in Christ is unceasingly happy, for he knows that in this way he is liberated from the law of sin and death. Redeeming pain is necessary for the cure of man...
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Starkman
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| Posted 2/15/2002 6:53 PM (GMT -6) | | "Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey - whether tou are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?" Romans 6:16
For the slavery (to the Master!)
Starkman
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