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trosie
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   Posted 1/23/2003 4:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the response, John Earp!

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I think that the issue you raise would probably receive many amens were this board a Calvinistic one, though.



I guess I must be a misplaced believer? I am a smorgasbord type Christian since I don't apparently fully espouse any particular view.

Thank you for pointing out that this chapter is referring to salvation. For some strange reason I kept hearing this inner voice inside of me saying the other thing and I thought I'd throw it out here. Maybe God was just trying to teach ME something.

Blessings,
trosie

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John Earp
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   Posted 1/23/2003 1:59 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As a result of your post, I have been thinking today of the well-known "Serenity Prayer" of Francis of Assisi.

If I recall correctly, it goes something like this:

God grant me the grace

To accept the things I cannot change,

The courage to change the things I can,

And the wisdom to know the difference.

To my understanding, this prayer is nonsensical for a determinist to pray, and only an Open Theist can with consistent logic affirm this prayer.





May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
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trosie
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   Posted 1/23/2003 6:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
John Earp
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As a result of your post, I have been thinking today of the well-known "Serenity Prayer" of Francis of Assisi.

If I recall correctly, it goes something like this:

God grant me the grace

To accept the things I cannot change,

The courage to change the things I can,

And the wisdom to know the difference.

To my understanding, this prayer is nonsensical for a determinist to pray, and only an Open Theist can with consistent logic affirm this prayer.



May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit



I LOVE THAT PRAYER! Hey, maybe it's not "nonsensical" to a determinist? I think that a determinist would probably pray that prayer as a way of surrendering their heart in order to become aligned with God's heart. The only difference would be that the determinist would believe that God knew they would DEFINITELY pray that prayer hence He already knew that they had a desire to surrender and would pray that prayer with certainty.

In any event, that prayer is AWESOME! It gives me a peace in knowing that God doesn't expect me to do more than what's mine to do...
trosie





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