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Laika
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| Posted 7/26/2003 3:53 PM (GMT -6) |   | honorman
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Good for you Fleetwood too. Perhaps you'll one day have something of substance to say as opposed to your unashamed cheerleading.
honorman, you'll have to admit that those two websites Fleetwood plagiarized had some substance on them. Incorrect but still of substance.
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Laika
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| Posted 7/26/2003 3:54 PM (GMT -6) | | Paul5388
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There aren't many combines in East Texas, but would a log skidder be about the same? 
Don't you have cotton combines over there? Cotton's gotta be tough to harvast.
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:06 PM (GMT -6) | | Honorman,
Since you are so in tune with the desires of the people, maybe this will help tune you a little more.quote:
In a resolution passed by the 16-million member Southern Baptist Convention at its June 17-19, 1997 meeting in Dallas, the denomination resolved to "urge every Bible publisher and translation group to continue to use time-honored, historic principles of Bible translation and refrain from any deviation to seek to accommodate contemporary cultural pressures, understanding that we are anxious to support the most accurate translations ... Bible publishers and translators are consistently faced with the tension of accuracy and readability along with the pressure from those who do not hold a high view of Scripture to take license with the use of particular terms, including, but not limited to, the use of so-called gender inclusive language."
Note the part about "taking license".quote:
J. I. Packer, ed., The Holy Bible, English Standard Version. Containing the Old and New Testaments. Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway Bibles (a division of Good News Publishers), 2001.
This is an evangelical revision of the Revised Standard Version that corrects the non-Christian interpretations of the RSV in the Old Testament and improves the accuracy throughout with more literal renderings. It also updates the language somewhat. The makers of this version undertook the work with the idea that there was a need for an evangelical version that was more literal than the New International Version but more idiomatic than the New American Standard Bible.
Notice, it is more literal that makes more accurate. It looks more like you and Pelajus are the ones on sandy land. Don't forget, the customer is ALWAYS right!
Didn't you have anything to say about the RC sites I quoted? "Straight from the horse's mouth", as the old saying goes.
EDIT: I forgot to note the "non-Christian interpretations" that some Bibles have. Now how could that be possible with "scholars" doing the work?
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John Earp
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:12 PM (GMT -6) | |
I think that the subject of Bible translations would make a good topic for another thread.
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:14 PM (GMT -6) | | Laika,
Cott'n Pickers is people. They haven't grown cotton around here in 40 years and they were still using mules when they quit! Now log skidders, and Stihl 044's with a 36" bar, that's a different story! Of course, I have a logger friend who says an 044 is just a limbing saw. 
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:16 PM (GMT -6) | | John,
Let us know where you start it. I'm not going to start it so I won't be accused of picking a fight.
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John Earp
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:18 PM (GMT -6) | | Laika,
East Texas is about as far removed from West Texas as Michigan is from Minnesota.
Now if you want to see some cotton fields, you need to check out West Texas (actually, middle-west Texas) where I am originally from! (Abilene) We had cotton everywhere, except during droughts.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:25 PM (GMT -6) | | John,
I will vouch for that! I went North of Abilene a few years ago to pick up a couple of loads (10,000 lbs each) of wheat. The first trip we needed that 460 that Laika has instead of the 351, just to get up THE hill (the one just East of Ranger). Of course, the Chevrolet didn't have any problem and got 2 mpg better than the Ford. Abilene is just over 300 miles from here.
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Laika
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:26 PM (GMT -6) | | John Earp, I've been to Abilene twice. Once with a combine crew that sat for a week (rain) and never unloaded our combines and another time, a month at Dyess AFB (AFROTC summer camp).
Paul5388, log skidding doesn't sound like farming. What is it? Logging?
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John Earp
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:28 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
John,
Let us know where you start it. I'm not going to start it so I won't be accused of picking a fight.
I have started a new thread here:
http://www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2341
Thanks.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
revivaltheology.net
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John Earp
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:32 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
John,
I will vouch for that! I went North of Abilene a few years ago to pick up a couple of loads (10,000 lbs each) of wheat. The first trip we needed that 460 that Laika has instead of the 351, just to get up THE hill (the one just East of Ranger). Of course, the Chevrolet didn't have any problem and got 2 mpg better than the Ford. Abilene is just over 300 miles from here.
Ranger Hill. Now THAT brings back memories and family history! Believe it or not, my grandfather came to Abilene and pulled "Ranger Hill" in the 1920s with his family from Eastland in a Conestoga Wagon! No kidding! They were so poor they had to live in a tent they made out of the wagon top for several weeks until they could afford a decent place to stay. During that trip, my great-grandfather abandoned the family and was not seen or heard of for decades.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
revivaltheology.net
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John Earp
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:37 PM (GMT -6) | | John Earp, I've been to Abilene twice. Once with a combine crew that sat for a week (rain) and never unloaded our combines and another time, a month at Dyess AFB (AFROTC summer camp).
Laika, No way! My grandfather pastored an Assembly of God church right next to Dyess for over 20 years (early 1960s to 1984). My dad then was elected there, and pastored that group for 10 years. We always has lots of Dyess "flyboys" visiting our church.
Was your combine crew harvesting wheat? I seem to remember hearing that these combine crews would start in Texas and work their way north. If you experienced a week of rain in Abilene, you experienced something very weird. Must have been in late April/early May.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
revivaltheology.net
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honorman
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| Posted 7/26/2003 4:44 PM (GMT -6) | | OHNO now there are all those "non-christian interpretations," to worry about! First off, the southern baptists and Packer are died hard Calvinists who get the willies anytime they think their "holy" Bibles are being "tampered" with. Second, ESV is a reformed translation which has been one of the poorest selling Bibles out of the box. No one buys it except reformed believers because it isn't in today's language at all but seeks to put out a Bible with reformed catch words. It is published by a reformed publisher. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "the customer is always" right but if you mean the ESV is a big seller you are completely wrong.
Finally, nothing within Packer's statement says anything about either being more accurate, simply more literal. You confuse the two, based on your own preconceptions. Alas, I would hope you read the works I posted and learned something about biblical translations.
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/27/2003 3:58 AM (GMT -6) | | Honorman,
You are really showing your lack of information and/or inability to process what is revealed to you. Where in the world did you ever get the idea Southern Baptists are Calvinists? I have repeatedly made mention of them being 4 point Arminians and the ONLY thing that resembles Calvinism is their adherence to OSAS, which is NOT the same as perseverence. I have been associated with the SBC since 1952 and I can assure you that you are wrong. I can even point to the sympathetic ear the OV has at Baylor (forgot his name, but should be well known to you all). Or, I can point to Dr. Dale Moody, who used to be at Southern Baptist Theological or my brother-in-law, who pastors a SBC church right down the road 10 miles, who don't believe OSAS. Wake up and smell the roses! | | Back to Top | | |
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/27/2003 4:04 AM (GMT -6) | | Laika,
This is a logging area in addition to cows. I am into row crops and small fruits, like blackberries, figs and etc. It is hard to find large acreage that is suitable for use with a combine due to the hills and trees.
John,
I was amazed at the wind velocity encountered on Ranger Hill! I guess I need to travel in Texas a little more and see all of the variety God has placed here. | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/27/2003 9:21 AM (GMT -6) | | What an education!!!
I've come to the conclusion, after reading this and other threads explain agribusiness and tractors, etc., that the "Open View" is a particular kind of large window on a farm house!!
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/27/2003 9:24 AM (GMT -6) | | POW,
It is actually the window on the cab of a tractor/combine/log skidder! | | Back to Top | | |
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Springs
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| Posted 7/27/2003 5:28 PM (GMT -6) | | I thought I was seeing the open view through the stained glass windows of an eastern orthodox cathedral. (Not that I am one) Gotcha Fred.  | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 7/27/2003 6:07 PM (GMT -6) | | | HMM, Paul, whose dress is showing...perhaps that is for other times. I find this topic tiring, dividing and, as I said, pearls before swine. Read the books I posted that you may be enlightened. | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/27/2003 6:36 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Springs
I thought I was seeing the open view through the stained glass windows of an eastern orthodox cathedral. (Not that I am one) Gotcha Fred.
We are going to HAVE to get you into a genuine Orthodox Chruch, Springs. (They have icons and an iconostasis, and LOTS of flowers; not stained glass.) E-mail me and I'll tell you more.
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/27/2003 7:09 PM (GMT -6) | | Honorman,
Since I didn't expect you to buy anything, why do you think I should have to buy anything that might prove your point? Why don't you move into the real world? Or, maybe you have stock in Amazon.com? If you have anything to say, get it off the net and post the source. | | Back to Top | | |
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Laika
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| Posted 7/28/2003 1:38 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Laika, No way! My grandfather pastored an Assembly of God church right next to Dyess for over 20 years (early 1960s to 1984). My dad then was elected there, and pastored that group for 10 years. We always has lots of Dyess "flyboys" visiting our church.
Was your combine crew harvesting wheat? I seem to remember hearing that these combine crews would start in Texas and work their way north. If you experienced a week of rain in Abilene, you experienced something very weird. Must have been in late April/early May.
It would have been late May we sat for a week in a town north of Abilene. We did get into Abilene once. After that year we always started in Altus, Oklahoma and then worked our way up to South Dakota, wheat all the way up. Western Kansas is wheat. We were the only combine crew that didn't work on Sundays, we would all go to a local bible believing church and shock the folks. They'd usually comment on how they never saw combine crews in church on Sunday. We never lost a job because we didn't work on Sundays either. The summer wheat harvest across the plains of the US is the largest private food gathering operation in the world.
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Paul5388
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| Posted 7/28/2003 11:37 AM (GMT -6) | | Laika,
I appreciate hearing about people of principle who stand up for those principles, regardless of the consequences! | | Back to Top | | |
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Laika
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| Posted 7/28/2003 11:43 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Paul5388
Laika,
I appreciate hearing about people of principle who stand up for those principles, regardless of the consequences!
Yeah, I think our differences are really few.
When I had to use Mick's pickup, I had to shovel 4 inches of used sunflower seeds off the floor and seat before I got in.
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Springs
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| Posted 7/28/2003 6:27 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
We are going to HAVE to get you into a genuine Orthodox Church, Springs. (They have icons and an iconostasis, and LOTS of flowers; not stained glass.) E-mail me and I'll tell you more.
Better yet, when you are coming back to your old stomping grounds? I'll check out your icons and you can check out our sound booth.
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