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| Posted 6/28/2001 10:15 AM (GMT -6) |   | faithfullservnt
02/11/01 10:29 AM
anthropamorphisms schmanthropamorphisms
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So you got some people who agree with the open view and you got some people who do not whhhooooooopa deeeeeee doooooooooo! I wonder what god is doing right now? Maybe he is sad over the way things are going in this world sad the way we abused our free will(i mean free will in the sense that he really is in control,but it appears to us that we are,oh and god becoming sad that was subjective of me because being sad is a human emotion and that would mean I was attributing human charecteristics to a infinitely wise being who is dwelling outside of time(change)and who can not experience this concept of change). I wonder if there is a lost piece of information at the end of exodus were moses made sure to tell his readers that even though he was getting direct revelation from god that somehow when god changed his mind about destroying the worshipers of the golden calf,and then changing his mind, it only appeared to him that way and everybody back then new it that way,like we do now. Greg Boyd has an idea that god knows possibilities and not certanties(this is what I got from the book)he uses lots of scripture to defend it and I am sure he prayed over it. So how come some ideas can be refuted?Does it lead back to 1corinthians 13 about knowing in part and prophesising in part? I have heard that false prophets have some truth to there statements does that mean we are all false prophets? who has it 100 percent right? I wonder if god is thinking(presupposing however he thinks) that although Greg Boyd has a heart for him(attributing anthropamorphic trait because god does not have a sex)and passionately preaches God breahted sermons that somehow Greg is wrong?(or anybody else who does not agree with classical theism or calvanism) So I assume God is more into being proved right(sounds kind of prideful and not humble,I.E Jesus dying on the cross)than having someone have a heart for the love of the lord. I admit I have only been studying theology for about 5 months and I do not really know what I m tallking about these are ideas from my arbitrary mind.I am only 23 and i have not even started college yet(hence poor punctuation,but I think jews did not punctuate but still I am not a jew) so please be gentle in your responses. love of christ.....
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
writerdad
02/11/01 4:09 PM
RE: anthropamorphisms schmanthropamorphisms
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You have a lot of questions...I pray that God blesses you as you search for them...and that you may (hopefully) find the answers as you dialogue with people on this site from both sides of the issue. God bless...John 17:3 Harold
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Shine150
02/11/01 5:05 PM
RE: anthropamorphisms schmanthropamorphisms
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S'up faithful,
thanks for the input.
two comments: * You say
"Greg Boyd has an idea that god knows possibilities and not certanties(this is what I got from the book)he uses lots of scripture to defend it and I am sure he prayed over it. So how come some ideas can be refuted?"
Do you mean "argued against?" or "refuted"? of course they're argued against, but this doesn't mean they are "refuted." i'm your age, in your boat, with less education than you... so i know how it can sometimes be very confusing to have "experts" disagreeing. give yourself space to grow slow. BUT
like with me, it may happen that a coin drops in the slot and something really really makes sense and it graps you in the gut
and you find yourself COMPELLED to believe.
2) you say
"I assume God is more into being proved right(sounds kind of prideful and not humble,I.E Jesus dying on the cross)than having someone have a heart for the love of the lord."
i think you MEANT to say "God is more into having someone have a heart for the love of the Lord than being proved write." otherwise you're point about Boyd being annointed makes no sense.
am i right on faithfulservent.?
check ya later
Shine150
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
BBBCanada
02/12/01 4:46 PM
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faithfullservnt said:
"So you got some people who agree with the open view and you got some people who do not whhhooooooopa deeeeeee doooooooooo! I wonder what god is doing right now?"
It was Stanley Grenz and Roger Olsen who wrote, "Who needs Theology?" I highly recommend it. Good theology moves from the head to the heart to the hand. And one of the "biggies" in this moving for OT's is, that we see the urgency of prayer. I also see it as being foundational to our being able to love truly. This doesn't mean that people who don't believe in it are not able to love. There are many admonitions in the Bible to do so. It is just that openness as a theological system, as a whole, genuinely provides the sure footing for doing so.
Also, do we see through a glass darkly. Yep. We do. That is why we need to approach theology with fear and trembling. With a somber awe toward God. I like what Meph man said when he talked about going to heaven and maybe finding our theologies screwed up. In fact Pinnock says, that if something better comes along, he may be inclined to change his views. He already had, from Calvinism toward Arminianism into open theism.
Also remember. Alot of christians go around saying, "It's a grey area. It's a grey area." It is only a grey area because there are two or more opposing camps staking their claims. Big point. *GREY AREAS DO NOT MEAN YOU DON'T TAKE A STAND!* So, enjoy the ride, it really is quite adventuresome.
Brandon
Holding hands high in the front seat of the roller coaster
Weeeeeeeeeee......
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