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TGB
04/03/01 1:08 AM
Jack Cottrell
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Hi all-
In The Grace of God and the Will of Man, Pinnock introduces each of the contributing authors, one of whom is Jack W. Cottrell. Cottrell’s chapter, “The Nature of the Divine Sovereignty” is excellent (though he is a classical Arminian on exhaustive divine foreknowledge). I want to ask two questions:
1) Cottrell has three volumes (God the Creator, God the Ruler, and God the Redeemer). Has anybody read any of these?
2) In introducing Cottrell, Pinnock adds this apparently unimportant aside, “Cottrell incidentally comes from the tradition simply called the Christian churches or the churches of Christ.” What’s so important about Cottrell’s being a member of this church? Do they sacrifice babies or something? What’s the deal?
Tom
Posted Originally From: Open Theism Information Site
RevivalTheology
04/03/01 6:58 AM
RE: Jack Cottrell
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Tom wrote:
2) In introducing Cottrell, Pinnock adds this apparently unimportant aside, “Cottrell incidentally comes from the tradition simply called the Christian churches or the churches of Christ.” What’s so important about Cottrell’s being a member of this church? Do they sacrifice babies or something? What’s the deal?
Nope, they don't sacrifice babies (don't even baptize them ). The Christian church (note small "c") considers itself a "non-denominational" group. It rose out of the Stone-Campbell movement, also known as the Restoration movement of the early 19th century (Barton Stone was one of the principals in the Cane Ridge revivals). A number of traditions have arisen from this movement, the Disciples of Christ probably being the best known (they went "liberal", formed a denominational structure and are considered by the rest of the movement the "black sheep"). Others are the Church of Christ (non-musical instruments), which are fairly prevalent in the South where I live. Church of Christ (musical instruments) and Christian church are pretty much the same, though the former is a more popular appelation up North and the latter more common down here in the South. They hold to a principle of "where the bible speaks, we speak, and where the bible is silent we are silent." A wonderful principle in theory, but, as the numerous disagreements among the Church of Christ (non-musical) attest, far harder to navigate than its simplicity would imply.
BTW, I happen to attend a Christian church, which is pretty much your average, run of the mill, American evangelical church.
In the Lamb
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
TGB
04/03/01 7:41 AM
RE: RE: Jack Cottrell
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They [churches of Christ] hold to a principle of "where the bible speaks, we speak, and where the bible is silent we are silent.
Gotcha. But 1) believing this, how did Cottrell manage to write three (I understand massive) volumes on God? and 2) What reason would Pinnock have for pointing this out as he does? The "incidentally" Pinnock uses makes me think he assumes most readers would be surprised.
Tom
Posted Originally From: Open Theism Information Site
RevivalTheology
04/03/01 1:03 PM
RE: Jack Cottrell
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That, I cannot answer - sorry!
In the Lamb
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
jjsanders
04/05/01 10:38 AM
RE: Jack Cottrell
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Tom
I've read all three of Cottrell's volumes and they are well done. Well researched and clearly written. The best work on the doctrine of God from a traditional Arminian perspective that I've read.
Dr. John Sanders
Posted Originally From: Open Theism Information Site
writerdad
04/05/01 11:00 AM
RE: RE: Jack Cottrell
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Doc Sanders: just finished up your book. Great, just great. One of the things I really enjoyed about it was how you presented the opposing side well, yet asked a number of important questions to think through. Gave me so much to think about, which is what I like most about books. Picked up "New Chosen People," and the book on Judas, which are good reading as well. Thanks again! John 17:3 Harold
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
TGB
04/05/01 12:45 PM
RE: RE: Jack Cottrell
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I want to pick up a volume when I'm in the States next.
Well, we call Greg Boyd "Doc." What do we call you? I've got it!...
Doctor J.
I also read your book. Loved it. I only have 500 questions for you. When should we get started!
"Doctor J." I like it.
Tom
Posted Originally From: Open Theism Information Site
TGB
04/05/01 3:57 PM
RE: RE: Jack Cottrell
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Doctor J-
There’s John E. Sanders who wrote chapters in The Grace of God and the Will of Man and also, I think (loaned my copy out), The Openness of God). Then there’s a John Sanders (same one?) who wrote The God Who Risks. You’re John J. Sanders. Any relation to John E. Sanders?
Tom
Posted Originally From: Open Theism Information Site
writerdad
04/05/01 6:18 PM
RE: RE: RE: Jack Cottrell
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Tom: I always thought they were one and the same, particularly considering the chapter in "The Openness of God is like the one on the same subject in "The God Who Risks." I agree with you. Reading "The God Who Risks," was great, but now I have like a gazillion questions that I didn't have before. Still, I think it is a great book, which represents the open view well. Its very compendhensive (I know I misspelled that!), which is what I like about it. John 17:3 Harold
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