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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 9/25/2003 6:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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POW: actually I was talking about you when I spoke of boasting. Laika doesn't know what he/she is talking about when speaking about God, but you do. You ARE SURE Laika doesn't know what Laika is talking about but you seem SURE you are. A little boasting there it seems to me.



No, honorman. I'm talking about the kind of not knowing comparable to wanting to put engine oil in the transmission fill-tube. That degree. I've seen pages of him on that topic. So I'm sure.
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   Posted 9/25/2003 6:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Did the Father act in the human Jesus? If so, how are they seperate persons?



Only the Son is the very image of the father. We are in God's image only to a degree. (He who has seen the Son has seen the Father.) The Son does the will of the Father, by His Spirit (speaking of outside the Trinity). The Father is the fountainhead of the Trinity, the single source (no 'filoque'). But the Father wills that there be three persons. (Lossky and Yannaras are good.) "...the Trinity undivided" the Creed says. One in will, but three in Persons willing it. "Perichoresis" is well understood as "coinherence." The Three share. (The social theory hedges on the verge of tri-theism.)

The Trinity preserves monotheism. (Jaroslav Pelikan's NPR interview--get it on the web.) One God in Three Persons.
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   Posted 9/26/2003 4:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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This a good one. Can anyone think of other examples of "change" referable to the Holy Spirit in the NT?


How about this? Jesus chose 12 disciples who lived and travelled with Him for three years. All 12 cast out demons in His name, healed sick people in His name and so on. Yet Satan got ahold of one of them, Judas Iscariot.

After Pentecost, the remaining 11 thought that Judas' apostolic "seat" should be filled so they cast lots to decide on someone. Acts 1:26

Later God made His own choice by selecting Saul of Taursus in Acts 9.
"and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also." 1 Cor. 15:8

How's that for flexibility on the dynamic battlefield that is this world?

Or this? Jesus last command was: "Go into all the world..." and Acts 1:8 get the Holy Spirit and go, yet they hung around Jerusalem until persecution came upon the church, Acts 8:1, and then they started going into all the world. coincidence? Or a God who is active in the world?

One of the most amazing things about God to me, imho, is that whenever there's a seemingly intracable problem, I realize that God is very creative and has infinite solutions to our problems and I can always find a better way through. That's a creativity of problem solving that He gives to us as well. He will even remove static, unimaginative, uncreative killjoys from standing in the way of progress and solutions to problems.



inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

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