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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 7/28/2004 8:02 AM (GMT -6) |   | 1. God prophesizes that Israel will drive out all the inhabitants of the land:
Exodus 23:23 "For My angel will go before you and bring you in to the land of the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hivites and the Jebusites; and I will completely destroy them."
Deuteronomy 7:
1 "When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you,
2 and when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them.
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16 "You shall consume all the peoples whom the LORD your God will deliver to you; your eye shall not pity them, nor shall you serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you.
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22 "The LORD your God will clear away these nations before you little by little; you will not be able to put an end to them quickly, for the wild beasts would grow too numerous for you.
23 "But the LORD your God will deliver them before you, and will throw them into great confusion until they are destroyed.
24 "He will deliver their kings into your hand so that you will make their name perish from under heaven; no man will be able to stand before you until you have destroyed them.
Joshua 1:2 "Moses My servant is dead; now therefore arise, cross this Jordan, you and all this people, to the land which I am giving to them, to the sons of Israel.
3 "Every place on which the sole of your foot treads, I have given it to you, just as I spoke to Moses.
4 "From the wilderness and this Lebanon, even as far as the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and as far as the Great Sea toward the setting of the sun will be your territory.
5 "No man will be able to stand before you all the days of your life. Just as I have been with Moses, I will be with you; I will not fail you or forsake you.
2. But that didn't happen:
Joshua 15:63 says, "As for the Jebusites, the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the children of Judah could not drive them out; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem to this day."
Judges 1:21 But the sons of Benjamin did not drive out the Jebusites who lived in Jerusalem; so the Jebusites have lived with the sons of Benjamin in Jerusalem to this day.
Joshua 16:10 says, "And they did not drive out the Canaanites who dwelt in Gezer; but the Canaanites dwell among the Ephraimites to this day and have become forced laborers."
Joshua 17:12-13 says, "Yet the children of Manasseh could not drive out the inhabitants of those cities, but the Canaanites were determined to dwell in that land. And it happened, when the children of Israel grew strong, that they put the Canaanites to forced labor, but did not utterly drive them out."
Joshua 3:10 Joshua said, "By this you shall know that the living God is among you, and that He will assuredly dispossess from before you the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Hivite, the Perizzite, the Girgashite, the Amorite, and the Jebusite.
Judges 1:27 But Manasseh did not take possession of Beth-shean and its villages, or Taanach and its villages, or the inhabitants of Dor and its villages, or the inhabitants of Ibleam and its villages, or the inhabitants of Megiddo and its villages; so the Canaanites persisted in living in that land.
28 It came about when Israel became strong, that they put the Canaanites to forced labor, but they did not drive them out completely.
29 Ephraim did not drive out the Canaanites who were living in Gezer; so the Canaanites lived in Gezer among them.
30 Zebulun did not drive out the inhabitants of Kitron, or the inhabitants of Nahalol; so the Canaanites lived among them and became subject to forced labor.
31 Asher did not drive out the inhabitants of Acco, or the inhabitants of Sidon, or of Ahlab, or of Achzib, or of Helbah, or of Aphik, or of Rehob.
32 So the Asherites lived among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land; for they did not drive them out.
33 Naphtali did not drive out the inhabitants of Beth-shemesh, or the inhabitants of Beth-anath, but lived among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land; and the inhabitants of Beth-shemesh and Beth-anath became forced labor for them.
34 Then the Amorites forced the sons of Dan into the hill country, for they did not allow them to come down to the valley;
35 yet the Amorites persisted in living in Mount Heres, in Aijalon and in Shaalbim; but when the power of the house of Joseph grew strong, they became forced labor.
3. God changes course:
Judges 3:1 Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to test Israel by them (that is, all who had not experienced any of the wars of Canaan;
2 only in order that the generations of the sons of Israel might be taught war, those who had not experienced it formerly).
3 These nations are: the five lords of the Philistines and all the Canaanites and the Sidonians and the Hivites who lived in Mount Lebanon, from Mount Baal-hermon as far as Lebo-hamath.
4 They were for testing Israel, to find out if they would obey the commandments of the LORD, which He had commanded their fathers through Moses.
5 The sons of Israel lived among the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites;
6 and they took their daughters for themselves as wives, and gave their own daughters to their sons, and served their gods.
If the future were settled facts, God's prophecies would be 100% accurate and not subject to unfulfillment and change.
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Lee Merrill
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| Posted 7/28/2004 4:53 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi SOC,
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God prophesizes that Israel will drive out all the inhabitants of the land:
Exodus 23:23 "For My angel will go before you and bring you in to the land of the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hivites and the Jebusites; and I will completely destroy them."
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2. But that didn't happen:
Joshua 15:63 says, "As for the Jebusites, the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the children of Judah could not drive them out; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem to this day."
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3. God changes course:
Judges 3:1 Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to test Israel by them ...
But God did drive them out! They aren't there now...
Thus "left to test them" must be temporary, the prophecy was delayed, but not unfulfilled.
Blessings,
Lee
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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 7/29/2004 1:33 AM (GMT -6) | | Lee:But God did drive them out! They aren't there now...
Who do you think the Palestinians are descended from?
And the Samaritan woman?
Those tribes remained in the land and the Israelites inter-married with them. Prophecy not fulfilled.
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Lee Merrill
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| Posted 7/29/2004 5:00 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi everyone,
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Sahid: Where were they driven to?
They vanished completely, actually:
Exodus 15:15 ... all the inhabitants of Canaan have melted away.
Isaiah 14:31 Wail, O gate! Howl, O city! Melt away, all you Philistines!
Zephaniah 2:5 O Canaan, land of the Philistines. "I will destroy you, and none will be left."
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SOC: Who do you think the Palestinians are descended from?
And the Samaritan woman?
2 Kings 17:24 And the king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath, and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the people of Israel. And they took possession of Samaria and lived in its cities.
These people became the Samaritans, according to my Bible dictionary. And the Palestinians are Arabic, they are descendents of Ishmael, from the line of Seth, not Ham.
So the prophecy was fulfilled! Though it was delayed:
Judges 2:23 So the Lord allowed those nations to remain, not driving them out quickly; and He did not give them into the hand of Joshua.
Blessings,
Lee
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| Posted 8/2/2004 5:56 PM (GMT -6) | | Most prophecy still stands unfulfilled, and will not be fulfilled until Jesus returns and sets up the kingdom which is the subject of a majority of the OT prophecies. Jesus gives an example that prophecy can be partially fulfilled in Luke 4:18 when He reads Isa. 61:1,2, "The spirit of the Lord is on me, because He has annoited me to preach the good news to the poor, He sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners, and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
And this is where Jesus stops, because the rest of the verse will be fulfilled when He returns to set up the kingdom. When Jesus returns, that will be the "day of vengence of our God" [Isa. 61:2(b)]. Chapter 61 continues to speak of how when Jesus returns, Isreal will takes its rightful place among the nations, and how the land will be rebuilt, and the people of Israel will recieve their inheritance. Some prophecy has been fulfilled, some has yet to be fulfilled, but For His own glory, God will fulfill His prophecies because His words will not return empty (Isa. 55:8-11). Israel has been trying to fulfilled the prophecies concerning the posession of the land themselves (see Acts 5:36-38) and they continue to do so today. These will only be fulfilled through Jesus Christ when He returns, just as God has determined. The history of Israel shows the futility of man to accomplish things apart from God.
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