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Roofus
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| Posted 8/28/2004 6:30 AM (GMT -6) |   | Revelation 17
8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have *****not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world***** will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Does this verse prove predestination- I am referring to the test that i have highlighted?
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Tom
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| Posted 8/28/2004 7:14 AM (GMT -6) | | You should find some threads on this through the search machine.
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Roofus
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| Posted 8/29/2004 1:05 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by TGB
You should find some threads on this through the search machine.
Tom
Could you recommend what words to search with? | | Back to Top | | |
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Roofus
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| Posted 8/29/2004 1:07 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by JEE
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Originally posted by Roofus
Revelation 17
8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have *****not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world***** will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Does this verse prove predestination- I am referring to the text that I have highlighted?
roofus
The quick answer is that the word translated "from" can also mean "since," meaning people's names are written or erased in real time.
What would the point of saying that the names had not been written since the foundation of the world? Do you mean that he basically said that "these folks have never been in the book of life"? That doesn't ring true for me, help me out, I will give you a chance. | | Back to Top | | |
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borg
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| Posted 8/29/2004 7:38 PM (GMT -6) | | Revelation 13:8 "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." --- When was the world founded?
by the same measure which you judge, it shall be judged back to you (taken out of context, sure, but its still fun). two of your three previous verses, found in poetry. you can't take it serious; eternal security is a doctrine (maybe even dogma ;) ) of scripture, so that must mean the guys who wrote this stuff weren't really being serious about people's names being scribbled out from the Book of Life. Can you imagine a heavenly book with a bunch of pencil erasings, dang, that would be worse than my ACT. And oh boy!, the Exodus passage, "whoever sins against Me, I wil blot him our of My book..." guess we're all blotted out; i mean who hasn't sinned against the Lord?
"...2. Observe how prevalent his address was. God would not take him at his word; no, he will not blot any out of his book but those that by their wilful disobedience have forfeited the honour of being enrolled in it (v. 33); the soul that sins shall die, and not the innocent for the guilty. This was also an intimation of mercy to the people, that they should not all be destroyed in a body, but those only that had a hand in the sin. Thus Moses gets ground by degrees. God would not at first give him full assurances of his being reconciled to them, lest, if the comfort of a pardon were too easily obtained, they should be emboldened to do the like again, and should not be made sensible enough of the evil of the sin. Comforts are suspended that convictions may be the deeper impressed: also God would hereby exercise the faith and zeal of Moses, their great intercessor..." (Matthew Henry)
Grace to you,
Borg
"So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards | | Back to Top | | |
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JEE
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| Posted 8/29/2004 7:57 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Roofus
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Originally posted by JEE
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Originally posted by Roofus
Revelation 17
8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have *****not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world***** will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Does this verse prove predestination- I am referring to the text that I have highlighted?
roofus
The quick answer is that the word translated "from" can also mean "since," meaning people's names are written or erased in real time.
What would the point of saying that the names had not been written since the foundation of the world? Do you mean that he basically said that "these folks have never been in the book of life"? That doesn't ring true for me, help me out, I will give you a chance.
Hi Roofus,
The way I understand it (and several others on this board in the past have understood it) is this: Since the creation of the world, God (or an angel, who knows?) has been adding and in some cases subtracting names from the book of life. It has been an ongoing process since the foundation (creation) of the world.
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Sisters of Cain
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| Posted 9/2/2004 1:53 AM (GMT -6) | | Roofus (tell me something good)
here's a couple of threads on the lamb's book of life:
http://www.christusvictorministries.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2839&SearchTerms=+book+of+life
http://www.christusvictorministries.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2238&SearchTerms=+book+of+life
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