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lock
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| Posted 10/15/2004 5:57 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
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I would still be a horible father if it was within my ability and knowledge to lead my son down the correct path of choices, but instead choose to just let him go off on his own and in the end condemn myself.
The parable of the prodigal son teaches we can not control the choices of others, but we can welcome them with love like the Lord’s readiness to welcome and bless all who return to him.
Luke 15:13
A few days later the younger son gathered all he had and traveled to a distant country, and there he squandered his property in dissolute living.
Spark-
Do you really think that this was the Lord's meaning behind this particular parable?
The parable is about the consequences of our choices in life, repentance, love and forgiveness, what else is there?
Oh, but you see there's a story behind the story, Mark. It REALLY was God's will that the Prodigal rebel and waste his life in sinful living, so that he would see how great the grace of his father was when he returned. It was all part of the divine puppet-show...er, plan. Yeah, that's the ticket. 
John-
If one were to stay within the context of the parables Jesus spoke in Luke 15, verse 2 tells us of how the pharisees "murmured" against Jesus for recieving the "sinners". Verse 3 then tells us Jesus spoke these parables unto the pharisees. Do you not see the hypocritical nature of the pharisees inthe example of the elder son of the parable; the one complaining when the "sinner" brother is recieved?
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Tom
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| Posted 10/16/2004 2:06 AM (GMT -6) | | Hi guys-
Do you think that when we reply to a post we can try NOT to leave in all the previous posts indented and indented and indented? A lot of times what you end up actually responding to is JUST the last in the series. Do we really need ALL the previous posts to follow along? Does anyone ACTUALLY re-read all that material every time somebody reports it? I think not. It just makes the pages doubly long and a headache to scroll through.
Just a thought.
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| Posted 10/16/2004 4:26 AM (GMT -6) | | Is there any support in Scripture for God hardening someone’s mind, leaving them devoid of rational thinking and the ability to see beyond their nose? If so, how would that square with dieing to self (emptying the old mind) and the renewing of the mind (taking every thought captive). It just seems to me that it would put God at odds with himself. Making him out as a crazy eccentric character, a rather strange and wacky psycho that’s insensible, indifferent and probably be diagnosed as schizophrenic.
Spen,
Would I be right to believe God does not harden anyone’s mind all the way through the trumpet judgments where God still gives unbelievers the opportunity to repent, is it not until the bowl judgments He removes our choice to repent?
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spenlake
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| Posted 10/16/2004 5:01 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by sparknheart
Is there any support in Scripture for God hardening someone’s mind, leaving them devoid of rational thinking and the ability to see beyond their nose? If so, how would that square with dieing to self (emptying the old mind) and the renewing of the mind (taking every thought captive). It just seems to me that it would put God at odds with himself. Making him out as a crazy eccentric character, a rather strange and wacky psycho that’s insensible, indifferent and probably be diagnosed as schizophrenic.
Spen,
Would I be right to believe God does not harden anyone’s mind all the way through the trumpet judgments where God still gives unbelievers the opportunity to repent, is it not until the bowl judgments He removes our choice to repent?
The passage that I cited did not state that God removed the "choice" or at least the "opportunity" to repent. In fact, it seems to me that the text implies that these people are all the more culpable in that, even when they knew that God was responsible for the terrible plagues, they still would not repent "although God still allowed them this choice." In any case, I don't believe that WE ever would know for certain that someone is too hardened to repent. We are commanded to preach the gospel of repentance to all, even the hardened. Who knows if perhaps a hardened sinner will be given the grace to repent on their death bed with their last breath? Who knows if that hardened sinner might be me that is being extended the offer of mercy? In any cast our commission to preach the gospel doesn't change - my orders remain the same either way. We preach the gospel to all and some, even the apparently hardened (say Saul), repent and receive God's mercy.
Spen Lake
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lock
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| Posted 10/16/2004 11:24 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
BTW, whatever nature Adam was created with, it wasn't sinful. God says it is good of even man. Sin is not good.
Sahid-
I did not say Adam was created "sinful", I said Adam was created in flesh. The flesh is unable to please God (Rom. 8:8), it is emnity towards God because it is not subject to the law of God (8:7), it is impossible to keep God's law due to the infirmness of the flesh (8:3). James describes this is his letter (1:14-15)...
14 Now each one is undergoing trial when he is drawn away and lured by his own desire.
15 Thereafter, the desire, conceiving, is bringing forth sin. Now sin, fully consummated, is teeming forth death.
If you were to claim that the desire to due to our "sinful nature" and not our flesh, then it would create an endless circle...
We sin because we give into our desires.
Our desires are from giving into sin?
The desires are in the flesh, our flesh is not subject to the law of God. Giving into these desires concieves sin; no circles. Adam was created with the same flesh as we are.
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