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Questioning
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   Posted 2/27/2005 9:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have had a conversation with a friend Acts 27 was brought up. Paul is being moved to Italy and the ship hits bad weather.
 
9When considerable time had passed and the voyage was now dangerous, since even the fast was already over, Paul began to admonish them, 10 and said to them, "Men, I perceive that the voyage will certainly be with damage and great loss, not only of the cargo and the ship, but also of our lives."
 
Then when really things get really bad Paul states that he knew what was going to happen.
 
21 When they had gone a long time without food, then Paul stood up in their midst and said, "Men, you ought to have followed my advice and not to have set sail from Crete and incurred this damage and loss. 22 "Yet now I urge you to keep up your courage, for there will be no loss of life among you, but only of the ship. 23 "For this very night an angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve stood before me, 24 saying, `Do not be afraid, Paul; you must stand before Caesar; and behold, God has granted you all those who are sailing with you.' 25 "Therefore, keep up your courage, men, for I believe God that it will turn out exactly as I have been told. 26 "But we must run aground on a certain island."
 
I was wondering what the Open View is on Paul knowing the future?
 
 
 


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JEE
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   Posted 2/28/2005 1:11 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't see that this passage presents any problem at all for the Open View; I can, however, see how it would present problems for any other view than Open View Theism, with all the conditions Paul states that have to be met by the people on the boat in order for them all to survive to safety.
 
The passage does not require us to say that Paul somehow had a "crystal-ball" kind of look into the future that showed him precisely how everything would transpire. If he had THAT sort of foresight, there would really be no reason for Paul to say anything at all; he could just sit back and not say anything, for the "whatever will be will be," and all things would occur precisely as Paul had foreseen.
 
Paul is simply expressing a promise of temporal deliverance as long as certain conditions were met, just like the Open View has always argued for.

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