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rsirkel
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   Posted 5/4/2005 7:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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At this time NOBODY chooses to repent. What has happened to their free will? NOBODY will choose God nor believe in the gift of God's Son that is sufficient even for all the sins of mankind. I see OV problems here in that this is a prophetic "certainty" however it happens. Did God somehow revoke man's free will at some point in time? As I read this passage the future had been determined for all those alive at that time, regardlesss of their will and it is not a pleasant future.

Ron
You said it, nobody chooses to repent. This is a solidification of character against God. In the accounts, they evidently know what is going on and curse God. This is not a predermined certainty as to God's will, He is not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance.

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   Posted 5/4/2005 8:05 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I did say nobody chooses to repent and they are therefore cuplable. Yet, He knows it as a certainty. Has He chosen to pour out His "solidification" on the entire world en masse? Another explanation is that God has "drawn" all that He has chosen to and the balance he leaves with His freee offer of salvation which they univerally reject.

I thnk that the thread has wandered from the initial point regarding John's time travel. I have another weird idea on why all these people cannot repent that I will post on another thread. I even think that it is OV friendly.
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   Posted 5/4/2005 10:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Spen,

The link you gave is to a subscription for Scientific American at amazon.com, not to the actual article. As such, I am not really able to study the article itself, and therefore the link doesn't really help. Is the article available somewhere on the internet?

My statements about physics are based on what I learned in physics class in college. I do not claim to be an expert in the subject. I would be interested to know if there is any new information that contradicts the information I was given then; however, I must admit to extreme skepticism with regard to the whole notion of "time travel," for it fundamentally assumes something about the future that is simply not demonstrable (that the future somehow exists in a way that could be accessed now). From what little I know, all that traveling at a very high rate of speed can do is slow down the passage of time for the traveler relative to all others not traveling with him.

When I took physics in college, I was taught that even if the speed of light could be reached by a PHYSICAL object (which the laws of physics deny as a possibility--for anything physical would completely disintegrate BEFORE it ever reached such a speed--only light and certain forms of energy waves can travel the speed of light) all that would happen is that FOR THAT OBJECT, relative to all other objects, time would not pass. This would NOT mean that time could be reversed or fast-forwarded, however.

You said: "You fail to attack the concept with scriptures.

Hmmm...I didn't wish to "attack" anything or anyone. That said, what you're asking seems rather unreasonable, spen. First you seem to want to assume that John experienced time travel, and the reason you give is the visions he saw, which could simply have been visions he experienced in the late first century A.D., and not necessarily time travel per se, and now you say I don't attack the concept with the scriptures? What gives?

John (not the Time Traveler)


May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.


JohnE


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   Posted 5/4/2005 5:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I guess I sounded a little testy, I don't think I felt it. Soory, I didn't mean to imply you were being unfair. I admit that John could have simply seen visions. It says that he went "in spirit" and perhaps this issue of the speed of light doesn't hold or holds no sway over spirits, although Satan can masqarade as an angel of light and God dwells in inapproachable light. To me a better argument against what I was saying would be that time travel must not be simply available to spirits due to the fact they are spirits, or Satan could travel and know the future. I still think that both the scriptural and scientific record does not altogether eliminate the option.
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