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Alan Rhoda
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Posted 10/13/2003 3:35 PM (GMT -6)

Anyone know anything about this book?

Charts on Open Theism and Orthodoxy
by H. Wayne House, Max Herrera

According to Amazon.com it's due to be released in Jan. 2004. Herrera co-authored the anti-open theism book "The Battle for God" with Norm Geisler, so I expect this book will take a similarly negative slant.

Thanks,
Alan

honorman
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Posted 10/13/2003 5:02 PM (GMT -6)

We're going to get a copy when it comes out. Actually, House has done several excellant chart books, which I have found very helpful. But given that he wrote that book with Geisler I expect little good from it.

Laika
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Posted 10/13/2003 5:05 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by honorman

We're going to get a copy when it comes out. Actually, House has done several excellant chart books, which I have found very helpful. But given that he wrote that book with Geisler I expect little good from it.

What's the chart part mean?

inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

honorman
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Posted 10/13/2003 8:23 PM (GMT -6)

Check this out http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0310416418/qid=1066112452/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4948626-1923237?v=glance&s=books

It'll give you a good overview of House's charts book. They are a simple way to figure out what happened when in history, what differing views teach, etc. I think hes done one on cults as well.

¡Que Payaso!
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Posted 10/17/2003 8:10 PM (GMT -6)

Zondervan has already published about a half-dozen of these chart books. They basically lay out information in diagram form and I believe they are designed for making overhead transparencies and such. In fact, unless I'm mistaken, the newer ones come with a CD-ROM with PPT files included.

Here is a description of one of them. At the bottom of the page is a list with links to the other books in the series.

www.zondervan.com/Books/Detail.asp?ISBN=0310416418

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GregBoyd
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Posted 10/19/2003 9:46 PM (GMT -6)

The Chart books are pretty good as a teaching tool, for they simply (and sometimes OVER simply) issues and beliefs etc... But given that House's and Geisler's view of open theism is not only over-simplistic, but erroneous at many points, a book that makes it even SIMPLER can't be good news.

Doc

"The responsibility is with the chooser -- God is blameless." Plato, Republic, 10.

Ochuk
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Posted 10/20/2003 7:46 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by GregBoyd

The Chart books are pretty good as a teaching tool, for they simply (and sometimes OVER simply) issues and beliefs etc... But given that House's and Geisler's view of open theism is not only over-simplistic, but erroneous at many points, a book that makes it even SIMPLER can't be good news.

Doc

10 bucks says that they say that you believe God is a creature!

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GregBoyd
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Posted 10/23/2003 8:59 AM (GMT -6)

10 bucks says that they say that you believe God is a creature!

doc: an a fallible one at THAT!

I've got 20 bucks that says the open view will be depicted as
* neo-theism
* finite godism
* anthropomorphic deity
* a derivative of process thought
* holding to a non-omniscient deity

and, of course,

* a version of Socinianism

Possibly they will also argue

* deny, by implication, inerrancy Knife

Sadly, most who read this will believe it.

Doc

These are the same two who hosted two sessions at the ETS two years ago on whether openness thought was a cult or not. (I forget the exact title, but it had "cult" in it.)

"The responsibility is with the chooser -- God is blameless." Plato, Republic, 10.

DLW
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Posted 10/23/2003 9:18 AM (GMT -6)

Well we might be getting into some "unsafe sects" with OVTheism.

dlw Eyebrow

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

Ochuk
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Posted 10/23/2003 10:39 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by GregBoyd

10 bucks says that they say that you believe God is a creature!

doc: an a fallible one at THAT!

I've got 20 bucks that says the open view will be depicted as
* neo-theism
* finite godism
* anthropomorphic deity
* a derivative of process thought
* holding to a non-omniscient deity

and, of course,

* a version of Socinianism

Possibly they will also argue

* deny, by implication, inerrancy

Sadly, most who read this will believe it.

Doc

These are the same two who hosted two sessions at the ETS two years ago on whether openness thought was a cult or not. (I forget the exact title, but it had "cult" in it.)

Double or nothing (open theist like to gamble, tsk tsk tsk)!!!

They will ALSO say open theists believe:

*That you completely undermine the gospel because god doesn't know which sins he is forgiving.

Oh wait, that's Bruce Ware!

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