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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 10/5/2003 11:58 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Originally posted by Ronald Ricketts
Earlier I posted a suggestion to read Smedes's My God and I. On page 59, Smedes sums up his Calvinism in 4 sentences,
1.In the beginning God made the world wonderfully good.
2.Near the start, the human family brought evil into the world's awesome goodness.
3.In the end, God will come to fix his world and make it altogether good again.
4.In between, his children are to go into the world and create some imperfect models of the good world to come.
Now fellow pilgrims, this Calvinism does not sound like the Calvinism of Piper, Ware, and others. I can live with this style of Calvinism.
Ron, Scottish Realism produced something that the Continental Reformed did not.
What you have is:
- 1. Creation
- 2. Fall
- 3. Redemption
- 4. "Office" (Since full redemption only comes at the resurrection -- but there is a now/not-yet active now.)
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Ochuk
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 10/6/2003 11:38 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Ronald Ricketts
Please say more about Scottish Realism, etc. I loved your reply or post.Ron
The worldview of the Scotts (as in the Westminster Conf.) differed from that of the Continent (Germany, Netherlands, France, Etc.)
Hodges is in the Scottish tradition. He influenced lots.
The Dutch Reformed have a differnt "take." John Vanderstelt did some scholarly work of the differences. The Scotts are more dualist. Most of the "Calvinists" that you hear of are in the Westminster vein. (I could attempt to charaterize the difference by saying that they tend to work more with ridgid boxes. The Reformed don't spend any time talking about "TULIP.")
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I have a friend who dated Lewis Smedes in college. Another who's parents were very good friends with his wife. He is thought highly of.
Did you see the portion of his book on our relationship IN CHRIST that I posted on this site?
Tell me if you need a LINK.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 10/7/2003 6:19 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Ronald Ricketts
Dear Pot On Wheels: If I read you correctly Charles Hodges & the Scottish common sense philosophers would say that Gensis 3 is real, rather then being symbolic of something. But after writing the above, I am stuck. What is the continental reformers take on Gensis 3. Would they say that it was something other then real? Help! Ronald
Huh?
I don't think that you know what "Scottish Realism" is. That comes before wondering why you decided to apply a misconception of that to a random Biblical passage.
But then, you did know the phrase "common sense philosophers." So I cant' guess how to help you. What are you doing???
Your question is too wierd to answer.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 10/8/2003 1:19 AM (GMT -6) | | | I don't know if I can find what I'd have to look for. | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 10/8/2003 12:11 PM (GMT -6) | | Boy I hate being faces with pure ignorance on my part!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry if I sounded rash.
I think it might have been an article by Lee Irons (studied with Meredith Kline) that pointed out the spread of a narrow idea to a wide audience through Hodges.
Here is an article that is way over my head -- but it gives you an idea of what high-flying Calvinists might talk about... www.ccir.ed.ac.uk/~jad/vantil-list/archive-Jan-1998/msg00053.html (Notice Irons, Vanderstelt, and Til's names.)
But members.aol.com/MGrass7222/reformed.htm says:
"Old Princeton Seminary theologians (the Alexanders, Hodges and Warfield) and other Scottish Presbyterians (e.g., Dabney, Thornwell) had a significant impact on the development America from its beginning."
Here's a site: capo.org/capohome.html
Then, on "Scottish Realism" I just found this site -- MAYBE I CAN LEARN WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. www.franciscan-sfo.org/TXC/SCOTREAL.HTM "A popular movement in eighteenth and nineteenth century Britain, which attempted to overcome the epistemological, metaphysical, and moral skepticism of the Enlightenment philosophy of David Hume (1711 - 76) with a philosophy of common sense and natural realism."
I THINK that the gist of what John Vanderstellt would suggest is the difference between continental Reformed thinking and the Scottish-Realist influenced thinking of the Princeton school is that the Reformed begin with God, with relationship with God, with God's self-revelation in Christ. And then they add knowledge and thinking where possible. But they -- LIKE THE EASTERN ORTHODOX -- do not presume that their thinking and observations will lead them eveywhere or tell them all about everything. GREAT humility is exercised. Faithfulness in stewardship and worship is much more highly valued than mastery of of all knowledge or control of everything.
Vanderstellt wrote some articles in ProRega (Dordt College's scholarly magazine). He is empassioned about the difference.
On Gresham Machen: 216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:Q5WCWb9WNWMJ:www.kosmosdalebaptistchurch.org/PDF%2520Files/CL-SH.pdf+%2B%22reformed%22+%2B%22scottish+realist%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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