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Originally posted by godisnowhere

Recently my focus has been on 1 Sam 13:13 and Gen 49:10.

It is a curious pair of scriptures.

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The twelve sons of Jacob and their descendants became the twelve tribes of Israel and were given the Torah during the days of Moses. Ten tribes rebelled during the days of Jehoshaphat and went to Samaria, separating themselves from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Judah was the dominant tribe so that those who remained in Jerusalem and the surrounding area were called Judeans. They were subsequently known as Jews. The ten separated tribes were subjugated by the Assyrians, assimilated, and some of them taken captive. The Judeans, because of their unfaithfulness, were invaded and besieged, and many of them were taken captive into Babylon, but they returned after 70 years. At the time of Yeshua, the ten tribes were known as the Samaritans, and they had their own place of worship on Mount Gerizim. They were excluded from the Temple worship in Jerusalem, except for small minorities from some of the tribes who renounced the Samaritan worship and joined themselves to the Judeans.

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Q: In 1 Sam 13:13, how was Saul rejected from his dynasty reigning for all time, since the throne was prophesied to Judah in Gen 49:10?
A: While God can make conditional promises to people, God did not even make a conditional promise to Saul here. God informed Saul of what he lost by his disobedience.
Genesis 49:10 shows that Saul’s disobedience was not a surprise to God. God had already planned on Saul freely choosing to disobey, and the later choice of David.

Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the lawmaker from between his feet, until Shiloh come, and the obedience of the peoples to him.


See Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties p.173, Hard Sayings of the Bible p.204-206, and When Critics Ask p.160 for more info.

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Q: In 1 Sam 13:14, how could David be a man after God’s own heart, since David later committed some very serious sins?
A: Today’s Handbook for Solving Bible Difficulties p.54 answers this well. "David’s lies, wars, and adulteries are recorded with as much accuracy as his piety and his triumphs. He was a man after God’s own heart, not because he never sinned, but because, having sinned, he repented.

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Originally posted by godisnowhere
How this is an acceptable answer I cannot understand. In addition, if the Lord was not truly offering the Kingdom to a member of the tribe of Benjamin, then the use of "olawm" is meaningless. So the scepter does not have to represent "Kingdom" but rather the law. In addition, even if Saul had been faithful I assume events could have unfolded somewhat differently so that David would be King after Saul except this time because of obedience instead of willfull failure.

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