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Tom
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   Posted 11/20/2003 3:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Alan-

I ran accross the following law of "transposition" in a small intro to logic that I'm ready. The author presents this:

(p --> q) = (~p --> ~q)

This seems wrong to me. p --> q means (to my brain) 'wherever p obtains, q will obtain'. It does NOT mean that q can ONLY obtain in the event of p. There may be circumstances OTHER than p in which q might, or does, obtain. All it means is that if p DOES obtain, q WILL obtain.

But this cannot mean ~p --> ~q. p may not obtain. Big deal. q may still obtain under other circumstances. p --> q doesn't mean 'q if and only if p'.

So why would an intro to logic say this?

I must be unlucky enough to buy the WORST intros on logic. Sheesh.

Tom Bandit
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Tom
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   Posted 11/20/2003 3:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don't tell me this has something to do with the parentheses.

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Magneton
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   Posted 11/20/2003 4:04 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The transposition (interchange of p and q) is missing. It should read:

(p --> q) = (~q --> ~p)

Make sense?


Magneton

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Alan Rhoda
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   Posted 11/20/2003 6:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Magneton's right. Transposition is where you switch antecedent and consequent and negate both. Thus,

p -> q = ~q -> ~p

Alan
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Tom
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   Posted 11/20/2003 9:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Magneton, you've been holding out on us, you anal-retentive-logical-lingo-expert you!

I just glanded at the quote in the book again. You guys are right. The author DID transpose p and q the second time. They just look so much alike. I didn't read it correctly.

I am NOT to be trusted! Arghghgh.

Take care,
Tom Bandit
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