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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 10/22/2001 4:42 PM (GMT -6) |   | topic: "saved", "being saved", "saves"
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I was at a Bible study last night with a lot of old, retired, Dutch Calvinists, and two things happened that are worth note. First a consensus developed that despite the "forms" (catechisms) we should pay more attention to what scripture says, even about things like being "buried with Christ in baptism" -- not worrying so much about how tradition says to stay away from things that might seem like "works" are being practiced...but taking the Bible at its word. Second, a lot of ascent was raised (redundant?) to the idea that "Christ saves" -- with a separation, a distinction from having to say "I am saved" because if I AM saved that is a little like having a twenty-dollar bill in my pocket, where having it I don't need more, and so I wouldn't need a Savior if I am saved. "Being saved", I think, was less comfortable. But the ongoing-ness of Christ saves seemed to resonate just fine with these old saints (mostly retired).
How do YOU feel about these phrases: "saved", "being saved", and "saves"?
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might-be-don
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| Posted 10/23/2001 3:06 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
a distinction from having to say "I am saved" because if I AM saved that is a little like having a twenty-dollar bill in my pocket, where having it I don't need more, and so I wouldn't need a Savior if I am saved.
I usually consider myself in the camp of the "I am saved" folks. I think of myself as living in eternity now, awaiting a new habitation. Jesus is holding the twenty bucks for me, He won't lose it.
( this is off the cuff....) I no longer need a savior, Christ has completed that work in me. I do have a Lord, to be worshipped and obeyed. The goal now is to walk worthy of this calling.
peace and love , don
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Semeia
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| Posted 10/23/2001 3:39 AM (GMT -6) | | All three are true: I was saved when Jesus died for me on the cross and I accepted his gift of life; I am being saved, not by my works but by Jesus' ongoing works in my heart; and Jesus saves and will save me throughout eternity by his steadfast love.
And no matter how many times I spend that twenty dollar bill, I always still have the same amount tucked away. It's like one of those trick candles - when you think you've blown it (out) - suddenly there it is again, the flickering flame.
The peace I feel from having been saved gives me faith; the peace I feel from knowing that Jesus will continue to save me throughout eternity gives me hope; and the peace I feel from Jesus' present residence in my heart allows me to love.
It's a trinity - the one to choose is all three.
Semeia
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trosie
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| Posted 10/23/2001 5:39 AM (GMT -6) | | "saved", "being saved", and "saves"
Here's a brief description of how I interpret the three words for myself.
Saved: A one time event that happened when I surrendered my life over to Christ and asked God to take residence in my heart and mind.
Being Saved: A daily and hourly thing that happens in a Christians life. We pray "keep us from evil" and God comes to our rescue and fights on our behalf. We pray "keep me from temptation" and God sees to it that we are not tempted beyond what we can handle. God is our Saviour who is continually rescueing and saving us from the arrows of the enemy.
Saves: This is what is promised to all who will repent and turn to Christ. Jesus died on the cross to offer this truth and this hope for everyone.
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Semeia: The peace I feel from having been saved gives me faith; the peace I feel from knowing that Jesus will continue to save me throughout eternity gives me hope; and the peace I feel from Jesus' present residence in my heart allows me to love
Semeia, that was so well put! I think this would be a neat thing to add to Doc's "Threeness Thread" -- what do you think?
From one of the flock who has been SAVED through the blood of the Lamb,
trosie
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Kyle Essary
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| Posted 10/23/2001 11:43 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Saved: A one time event that happened when I surrendered my life over to Christ and asked God to take residence in my heart and mind.
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Saves: This is what is promised to all who will repent and turn to Christ. Jesus died on the cross to offer this truth and this hope for everyone.
Could you explain what you mean here? In the first part you say that "saved" means the one time event of turning your life over to Christ, but what exactly is he saving you from in that instant? From your past failures?
Also, in the second quote are you saying in effect that future salvation is what is given to people at the time of their salvation? Could you expand on this please?
My take has always been that "saved" refers to our pre-conversion sins, "being saved" means santification, and "will be saved" refers to the actual future event when evil is done away with. I think that is the typical traditional view though.
Thanks Trosie,
Kyle Essary
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trosie
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| Posted 10/23/2001 7:24 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Kyle: Could you explain what you mean here? In the first part you say that "saved" means the one time event of turning your life over to Christ, but what exactly is he saving you from in that instant? From your past failures?
Also, in the second quote are you saying in effect that future salvation is what is given to people at the time of their salvation? Could you expand on this please?
My take has always been that "saved" refers to our pre-conversion sins, "being saved" means santification, and "will be saved" refers to the actual future event when evil is done away with. I think that is the typical traditional view though
Kyle, first you asked, "what exactly is he saving you from in that instant? From your past failures?"
I reply, "Yes!" When we accepted Christ as our Saviour we were saved from our sinful selves. All our past failures were washed away when we repented.
In the second part you said, ""will be saved" refers to the actual future event when evil is done away with."
Okay, I agree with this, but this wasn't one of the three words that this thread started out with.
Did I answer your questions?
Blessings,
trosie
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Kyle Essary
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| Posted 10/23/2001 7:52 PM (GMT -6) | | Oops, I forgot that "will be saved" wasn't part of it, hehe. Got distracted by my own thoughts I guess. Yeah, you answered my question. Thanks for the clarification.
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