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Iamur2
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| Posted 11/2/2001 11:02 AM (GMT -6) |   | One thing I have really been thinking about is some of these ideas that Calvinist's and arminians assert about the other side of the issue. On the one hand, the arminian charges Calvinism with having an "unjust God" who "chooses some and not others"--they have this idea in teir head that this God could not exist and would not be a good God for some reason. On the other hand, Calvinists continually charge arminians with "exalting man" because the one who was saved had something good in him to make him choose Christ. I don't think EITHER of these ideas is correct. On the one hand, the God of Calvinism, if it is true, is in no way unjust since none of us deserve heaven anyway, and God is simply showing us His grace and mercy on the elect. There is no problems with God's justice or his character there. On the other hand, this idea that arminianism exalts man I don't think is quite correct either. , I would not have a spiritual problem with the idea of people choosing Christ apart from God’s effective drawing, since that ability is a gift from God in the first place. In addition, Adam was created with total free will, and had nothing to boast about for choosing God before he sinned. It seems to me that a LOT of debates are entangled in these preconceived notions about how God should act, and never really get to Scriptural support for either. I think if people set aside these ideas about how they think God should be, then the debate can rest in WHAT IS REALITY? Let me know what you think!
Eric
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rb1963b
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| Posted 11/2/2001 11:18 AM (GMT -6) | | You obviously have calvinistic leanings, you also do not understand non-calvinist thought. We do not believe that there is anything good in man, there is NOT an inability to choose to believe in that scenario though. Paul even states that in a saved persons life there is no good thing (Rom. 7:18) except Christ (Col. 1:29, Gal. 2:20)
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Iamur2
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| Posted 11/2/2001 11:32 AM (GMT -6) | | <>
I think you completely misunderstood what I was trying to say. I was trying to say that many Calvinists believe that arminians place something good in man. I know you don't believe that...I was trying to say that the Calvinist idea that you DO believe that is not necessarily correct. Let me repeat what I was saying there: "Calvinists continually charge arminians with "exalting man" because the one who was saved had something good in him to make him choose Christ. I don't think EITHER of these ideas is correct."
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