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Steven Morrow
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| Posted 5/1/2002 11:06 AM (GMT -6) |   | Has southern baptists took a stand against open view theism? Is anyone here on the discussion board a southern baptist open theist? Please let me know.
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Ronald Ricketts
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| Posted 5/1/2002 3:53 PM (GMT -6) | | Steven, I think that you will find Southern Baptist Seminary very much opposed to Open Theism. Bruce Ware seems to want to be the point guard in opposition to the OV. As to the SBC as a whole taking a stand, I really don't know but would be suprised if this is coming up soon.
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gregw
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| Posted 5/1/2002 3:54 PM (GMT -6) | | Southern Baptist Open Theist? It seems like an oxymoron to me. I would be shocked if there were any who would admit it in polite company!
From an outsiders perspective, Southern Baptists tend toward the Calvinistic side of things.
Check out R. Alber Mohler of Southern Seminary. Now there is someone who is vehemently anti open theism. Just one example among many others I am sure.
Blessings,
Greg
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Ronald Ricketts
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| Posted 5/1/2002 3:57 PM (GMT -6) | | Steven, I meant to write that I would not be suprised if this issue came up before a upcoming convention
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Seymour
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| Posted 5/1/2002 5:01 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Steven, I meant to write that I would not be suprised if this issue came up before a upcoming convention
Ronald
I might be wrong, but i think it already has come up and some sort of formal resolution has already been passed against open theism. but i woudln't remember where i read aobut this. lil' help anyone?
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Steven Morrow
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| Posted 5/1/2002 6:06 PM (GMT -6) | | thanks for the feedback
The reason I am askingis because I have been going to a southern baptist church setting for a long time. I am in the ministry, and i am presently in a southern baptist School majoring in Religion. I First heard of open theism when I read Clark Pinnocks responses in The book Predestination and Free will. The whole Calvinism Thing bothered me. I tried to just accept it as an antinomy. God picks and chooes who he wants to go to heaven, then their is that whole double predestintion thing, and if your going to have the single the double seems to come rightalong with it. It just presented a horrid picture of God. I recall thinking I thought God was love. I thought his desire was for everyone to be saved. I found myself even hating Tulips. After alot of Bible reading and prayer along with some pretty interesting books By Doc Boyd, I found myself here in the present an open theist. However I am still involved in an southern Baptist church. Its a great church, but if theology is ever brought up I am sure I wouldbe labeled an heretic and a liberal. I would loose my job. I Am so confused what to do next.
If anyone has any advice send it my way.
In Christ,
Steven
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Keith
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| Posted 5/4/2002 10:19 AM (GMT -6) | | Steven
Al Mohler and his point man Bruce Ware have slipped into the BF&M verbage to strike down anyone who embraces the OV. Section II added the following senetence to the old BF&M
"God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures."
This wasn't so much as discussed during the convention BF&M "deliberations" considering all the other planks the fundamentalists wanted (1) removing Jesus as the criteria for understanding Scripture -gives too much leeway.
(2) eliminating women in head pastorships
(3) removing "Priesthood of Believers" (for awhile at least.
I'm a Souten Baptist as well but believe the CBF or Mainstream organizatiopns are more Baptist and Christian than the SBC Exec Committee and the new SBC Seminaries (freed from free thought).
You can bet that this added verbage to the Doctrine of God section of the BF&M will be used as a theological hatchet to Baptists in ministry like yourself. It has already started with the International Mission Board insistence on all missionaries signing this CREED in spite of the fact that Baptist have traditionally eschewed creeds.
So by all means embrace the OV (it is very liberating and satisfying in a practical sense for evangelists and anyone who prays). But watch your back end! and be assured that you will be welcome in the CBF, Alliance or Mainstream movements (I have been and I'm OV all the way).
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