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Torkuda
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   Posted 5/13/2006 3:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
We could go all day about scriptures that indicate the limitations of God. I even once countered an anti open theist and showed the great many scriptures that indicate limited forknowledge. (not expecting anyone to read the whole thing, it's quiet long.)
(in the article, my comments are in green. Quotes I think are wrong, are in red.)
 
 
As one can easily see, open theist and I actually usually don't have many issues.
 
My real issues are only two.
 
First off, though I can see the logic of the idea, is it really necessary that God CAN'T see the future? I view the future through what I call inevitability theory. No force nor being of any kind predestines, time itself is a thing (I think Instine had a similar theory, but probably beyond my understanding). All things that will happen, will happen as they will happen. (This says nothing about what influences eventualities. In the end, enevitabilities occur because of the choices we make, not inspite of them.) If you see the future (actually lots of people have, we even have a word for experiencing an event seen in a dream "dejavo" -forgive my blatant misspelling, I don't know the real spelling-) that does not mean the future is your fault, and in actuallity, it IMPLIES you have no control over it. You see, if I see a future event, and then stop that future event from coming to pass, then logically... well logically if something doesn't happen in the future, it isn't the future.
 
I know there are times God's fortellings weren't predictions at all, simply revealing a plan of His, but isn't it still possible, without inviting Calvinistic thinking, that God could still see the future?
 
 
 
 
Second problem I have is on absolutism. Like I said, most open thiest aren't that way without knowing several scriptures that indicate the limitations of God. To list just a few:
 
God does not know all futures
God does not know the hearts of men unless He actually makes the effort to search them.
The only way to save us was through the sacrifice on the cross (and from Jesus's prayer in the garden, we all know, if there was another way, He'd have done it).
God has limits keeping Him from making the world perfect.
God is not omnipresent (read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah)
 
But knowing all these limitations, and yes, there are porbably many more, why do Open Thiest still declare God Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient?
 
When an ant looks at a man, he has no way to compare himself, just like a man looking at God, but being bigger than us doesn't require aboslute power of any kind. Remember, in reality, we humans aren't very powerful.
 
I've written an article about Omnipotence and how I think scripture indicates it in particular is false:
 
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