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Ronald Ricketts
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   Posted 1/26/2004 3:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Recently I read where Al Mohler of Southern Baptist Seminary said that the current Evangelical Theological Society had ceased being evangelical because of the refusal (vote) of the ETS to excommunicate Pinnock and Sanders. Does this mean that Mohler will start his own Evangelical (?) Theology Society. I would not be suprised if he has already started to do this.


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Ochuk
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   Posted 1/26/2004 8:53 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mohler thinks that "Southern Baptist" means "Evangelical." There is no other way to understand him.


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Tiggers
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   Posted 1/26/2004 11:28 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey Ricketts,

I just don’t see what the point is in keeping the term “evangelical” to symbolize what kind of Christians we are. Sheesh, now I realize I’m in a more liberal denomination (i.e., United Methodist), but so many people when hearing the word evangelical think of television evangelists with their big hair, gobs of make-up, Benny Hinn sort of folks…well, that or, a Southern Baptist who’s anti-women as leaders, can’t play cards, dance and the like…you know, it’s all of Satan don’t you Evil! Anyways, my point is, why keep the term? Furthermore, I’m afraid Pinnock might be creating a bit of a box around his theology in trying to accommodate these ETS folks. Could it be that you stifle your quest for truth once you place ETS boundaries around your pilgrimage. I don’t know, I just always looked up to Pinnock as a free thinker and standing on truth no matter where it may be found, or even what kind of Furious it landed you in.

Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers


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Tom
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   Posted 1/26/2004 11:38 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Didn't Walt Kaiser resign his membership over the vote?

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Tiggers
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   Posted 1/28/2004 4:04 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by TGB

Didn't Walt Kaiser resign his membership over the vote?

Bandit



Hey Tom,

I’m not sure about Walter Kaiser’s membership, sorry. I did go to the GCTS website and tried to find out his e-mail, but the faculty section doesn’t give out their e-mails unfortunately. A few years ago, I used to talk to him off and on because he would pay me and others to take him back and forth to the airport for his speaking engagements, but I’ve never found him to preach or even discuss the open theism issue. I do know that he’s pro women in ministry, i.e., as pastors and such. Anyways, if you find out anything give me holla, TGB! I’m 3 yrs. out of the loop at Gordon-Conwell, but I can say that most profs. lean towards Reformed theology and there are a few Arminian, but NO Open Theist that I know of. In fact, some are very ANTI-open theist Evil , e.g., David Wells, John Jefferson Davis, R. Gruenler, and Jeffrey J. Niehause.

Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers


“The notion that God uses evils as a means to such higher goods is, … incompatible with the doctrine that he is omnipotent, and therefore does not need to use deplorable means to achieve his ends” (J.L. Mackie).

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trey dogg
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   Posted 1/28/2004 4:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
great Christian folk aren't they???


I read a bit of Pinnock's statement saying why he should remain in ETS (i think). I think one of the first things he mentioned was the fellowship. I mean what the heck, I know that it isn't all about that but dang, some folks gotta ease up...


on the whole, i think preparation H feels good...

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Tiggers
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   Posted 1/28/2004 4:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by trey dogg

great Christian folk aren't they???


I read a bit of Pinnock's statement saying why he should remain in ETS (i think). I think one of the first things he mentioned was the fellowship. I mean what the heck, I know that it isn't all about that but dang, some folks gotta ease up...



Sup trey dogg,

If you ever find out where you read that, I’d love to read Pinnock’s reasons for needing to stay in the ETS. I’m not sure where Pinnock stands anymore on the issue of inerrancy, that is, is Pinnock’s Scripture Principle no longer valid, or has he journeyed away from his earlier views. I sure hope he comes out with a systematic theology soon.

Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers


“The notion that God uses evils as a means to such higher goods is, … incompatible with the doctrine that he is omnipotent, and therefore does not need to use deplorable means to achieve his ends” (J.L. Mackie).

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¡Que Payaso!
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   Posted 1/29/2004 5:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Tiggers:

If you ever find out where you read that, I’d love to read Pinnock’s reasons for needing to stay in the ETS.


http://www.etsjets.org/members/challenge/2003-challenge.html

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Tiggers
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   Posted 1/30/2004 9:06 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Payaso Smile !

Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers


“The notion that God uses evils as a means to such higher goods is, … incompatible with the doctrine that he is omnipotent, and therefore does not need to use deplorable means to achieve his ends” (J.L. Mackie).

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