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JET
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   Posted 3/4/2008 12:18 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Tom (from Alan’s thread):  “Perhaps the Hex will help. Greg and I still burn candles in front of large posters of it we love its elegance so much!”

 

 

Hey Tom,

 

I saw this a while back.  Never posted it.  But since we’re talking about indeterminancy logic again …

 

Did you know that the “Hand Book of the First World Congress on the Square of Opposition” has hexagons galore (with diagrams)?

 

Check it out:   http://www.square-of-opposition.org/images/handbook.pdf

 

Some quotes:

 

Page 4:  Robert Blanch has shown that it makes sense to consider also a dual triangle of subcontrariety and that these two triangles form a star-of-david within a hexagon where the traditional square takes place.

 

Page 7:  To speak more simply (more intuitively), the logical square has given place in 1953 (thanks to Robert Blanch´e) to a “logical hexagon”,

 

Page 25:  After generalizing the classical theory of opposition of propositions, and extending it to the structure of opposition of concepts, and after restructuring Apuleius’ square by transforming it into a hexagon, and after noticing that his oppositional hexagonal structure has fruitful applications in different fields (which we shall illustrate with the application of the hexagon to the logic of norms by G. Kalinowski), Robert Blanch´e has claimed that his logical hexagon can be considered as the objective basis of the structure of the organization of concepts and as the formal structure of thought in general.

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   Posted 3/4/2008 12:20 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Another one:
 
 
Check out the “Hexagon of Modalities” on p. 4:
 
Teaser quote:
 
P. 1:   It is true also in the modal version of the square, we have necessary, possible and impossible, but no primitive name for not necessary.  . . .
 
... We get a better understanding of these relations of opposition in the perspective of Blanché’s hexagon ...
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   Posted 3/4/2008 12:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

One more:

 

ftp://ftp.cle.unicamp.br/pub/e-prints/vol.4,n.1,2004.pdf

 

Page 10:

 

"I had read some years ago something interesting on the square of opposition by Robert Blanch´e and I decided to look back at Blanch´e. The analysis of the square of opposition by Blanch´e is something very nice and profound. He suggests to replace the square of the quantifiers by a hexagon made of two triangles, one of contrariety, one of subcontrariety. The six vertices of the hexagon represents six quantifiers. If we made a similar construction for modalities, we have an hexagon with six modalities, and we see clearly where stands contingency, it is the vertice _^¬_ of the triangle of subcontrariety."

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   Posted 3/4/2008 2:55 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks JET! Awesome.
 
I think Alan told me about the confernece on the Square (held in Switzerland a few years ago?). But I didn't know about Blanch. Dang.
 
Guess we won't get to be famous now. But at least we know we're not crazy.

Tom


 

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   Posted 3/4/2008 3:07 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can't beleive it really. We knew absolutely nothing about this. We worked through ALL these questions, came up with precisely the same answers and conclusion, and they're complex notions too. And all of it was done independently by Blanch. Dang!

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   Posted 3/4/2008 3:16 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
BlahchE, that is!

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   Posted 3/4/2008 7:38 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wonderful. Independent confirmation. ;-)


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   Posted 3/4/2008 9:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This rocks...

I wrote Jean-Yves Beziau, the organizer of the First Congress. Just introductions. Sent him the URL to the RBB article and a jpeg of the Hex we developed without knowing it existed. He's just written back. Says he's on his way to Corsica to plan for the Second Congress (Spring of 2009). Yeah baby!

Tom


 

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   Posted 3/5/2008 1:16 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tom,

Let me know if you get any further response on the conference thing. I'd be interested in helping you work up a good presentation.

Alan
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   Posted 3/5/2008 1:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Me? My background is theology. And even though I'll be into PhD research, they'll probably want somebody with a PhD to present, and we shouldn't abandon the Three Amigos! We should all take our wives to Europe. Doesn't matter who actually presents, but we should all share the Nobel Prize!
Ask Heather if she wants to do Europe?

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   Posted 3/5/2008 12:50 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Okay, we can co-present. I can worry about the technical aspects of the presentation. You and Greg are more articulate than I am, however, given my stutter. So maybe we can work something out so we can all be involved and play to our own strengths.

Speaking for Heather, I know she would love to go. Her only concern would be how it will impact Janelle, who'll be a toddler by them.

Best,

Alan


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   Posted 12/1/2008 8:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
From Greg's blog on Nov. 28, 2008 at www.gregboyd.org/blog/:

Greg: But I asked [Bill] Craig why an omniscient being wouldn’t also know the truth value of propositions asserting what might and might not take place, where “might” is considered the contradictory of “will not” and “might not” is considered the contradictory of “will”? In this view, if God knows it is true that “x might and might not do y at a certain point in time,” then God knows it is false both that “x (certainly) will” and “x (certainly) will not do y at a certain point in time.”

Bill Craig: Craig responded by pointing out that this is not how “might” and “might not” usually function in philosophical semantics ...

Earl: If anything, among the world's top philosophers in regards to the square of opposition, it seems like the trend is towards the hexagon (or, at least, the hexagon enjoys a prominent place in the recent literature as shown in this thread).

Doesn't this mean that Craig has to give up his argument about how 'might' and 'might not' "usually function in philosophical semantics"?



Btw, here's another interesting link: "But despite this importance of the concept of opposition, it is still rather unknown that, nowadays, “opposition theory” (for short: the square) has definitively given place, in 2004, to “n-opposition theory” (an infinity of logical-geometrical, highly symmetrical, n-dimensional solids), a new rich and growing field (or zoo…) of modal logic at the intersection between abstract logic and solid n-dimensional geometry. To speak more simply (more intuitively), the logical square has given place in 1953 (thanks to Robert Blanché) to a “logical hexagon”, and in 2004, after some works of Béziau (2003) on the relations of instances of this last figure to negation, it has been proven (Moretti, Pellissier) that both the square and the hexagon, followed by a new “logical cube”, belong to a regular series of n-dimensional objects called “logical bi-simplexes of dimension n” (and the zoo goes even beyond this!)." www.square-of-opposition.org/alessio%20moretti.html

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   Posted 12/1/2008 6:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey JET-

I saw that post of Greg's too. He and Craig have talked about this several times. I don't think Craig quite gets it. My guess is Craig is ignorant of Blanche's work and of the explosion of logical studies surrounding the Square & Hex. So it just isn't true today that in philosophical jargon "might" and "might not" have Craig's single established meaning. Time is a movin' on.

The Conference is in Corsica in either April or May of '09, but I can't get Jean-Yves to give me a sure date. I was gonna go, but now it looks like I'll be stuck here in Iraq! Ha.

Looking through the literature on those sites (and I told Beziau this too), NOBODY has applied the Hexagon to theology (omniscience, foreknowledge, etc.). So though the Hex has been around for sometime, our use of it is something new. That's what we wanted to present at the Conference. But it looks like Greg or Alan will have to do it!

T
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