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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 9/11/2001 6:31 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
modes and harold, that's cool.
this stuff is really good. I'm chewing on a lot. it is difficult material to bring down from discussion of lofty ideas down to real life.
GG
I agree that the transition from theory to practice is difficult if we try to come up with things to do on our own. But if we genuinely seek the Lord and pray in this direction, God will reveal what it is that YOU can do to be a part of the solution. I wager nothing on my ideas here and everything on the conviction that God will lead those who listen into profound ministries of liberation in the name of and FOR the sake of Christ. My hope has been to offer categories not usually available to evangelicals so that they can THINK consistently with what God is calling us to do, as individuals and churches. BUT when it comes down to nuts and bolts we must trust that God knows the situation better than any of us and thereby we seek the Lord's direction in practical matters. Its a matter of congruity between what God has done in the past, and what God intends to do here and now, as POW's illustrations showed nicely.
Quite frankly, once God has put you in the place God wants you to minister, doing this stuff will become a matter of obedience insofar as you are watching what is going on around you and listening to what God is telling you to do. Just ask Cyber-buddy. Even though she's a joker at times  , she has a profound ministry that she's just at the start of and she knows what it means to listen to God. So you see, when it comes down to it, its all about trusting God to speak and being faithful to obey.
Blessings on you as you ar preparing for the ministries God has for you!
Again, I hope we keep up the conversation on this!
"Christianly understood, truth is obviously not to know the truth but to be the truth. Despite all modern philosophy, there is an infinite difference here..." SK | | Back to Top | | |
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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 9/11/2001 8:26 AM (GMT -6) | | FYI to all: Harold and I have made amends off the board by email. Everything is cool between us. Besides, we have a much more important and immediate national crisis to be thinking and praying about right now. The scope of the attack and its aftermath is huge.
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graygirl
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| Posted 10/16/2001 3:13 PM (GMT -6) | | Okay i'm back to this once again. My LT friend's theology is driving me up the wall.
The issue now is Matthew 25:35-46, specifically Matthew 25:46.
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
okay his argument seems to be that works- doing these good works for the poor, is what salvation is also about...in addition to accepting Christ (although he seems to gloss over that part).
There is absolutley no works in salvation. There is a responsability in using your talent, etc. but not in salvation. Just b/c you feed the poor doesn't mean you have earning points with God or have no need for salvation.
This passage is about using your God-given talents...right?
What is the meaning of verse 46. Why was it phrased that way??...
it certainly could lead the works pre-dispositioned mind to interpret it in a way that put works alongside and almost equal to a confession of faith in Christ.
any thoughts?
GG
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MrIndifference
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| Posted 10/16/2001 3:55 PM (GMT -6) | | What is the difference between a christian with no fruit and an athiest feeding the poor. Personally I would say nothing at all. It comes back to the whole relationship thing. If I say I love someone then I would more than likely show them that love through my actions. Words without actions are nothing. On the flip side if I simply act because I am commanded to, when there is no commitment involved, I am simply acting as a slave. Through love and being in a relationship with Christ we go from doing out of coersion to doing out of the love that we have for Him. In the eyes of God, it is comparable to buying your wife a dozen roses on a whim.
I think that is what matthew 25.35-46 is getting at. I hope that helped a little.
"Faith is being able to see that someday you will be six years old, while having to view it from the eyes of someone that is three."
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graygirl
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| Posted 10/17/2001 3:57 AM (GMT -6) | | thanks mr.I....yea...that helps some what and maybe i'm getting lost in the words...but why does he say "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life".....those are very strong words that imply salvation but WE know they don't...how are the contextualized, scripturaly explained to NOT be referring to salvation.
Feeding the poor or using your talents have nothing to do with salvation....
get what i'm asking....
do you have any more thoughts?
GG
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MrIndifference
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| Posted 10/17/2001 2:05 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Feeding the poor or using your talents have nothing to do with salvation....
I am not sure if I am understanding you correctly, but here is my reaction to what I think you are asking...
You are correct that works have nothing to do with the process of salvation. On the other hand, if there is true salvation and not just going through the actions, there should be some sort of fruit from that salvation. It doesn't always happen right away, but as God works in your life, it should show in how you live your life (actions, reactions, changes in demeaner, the way you see the physically, emotionally and spiritually devestated, the way you talk, the way you live, etc.).
When looking at Matthew 25.35-46, you may want to continue reading through Matthew 26. It seems that it is a continuation. Jesus was eating at the house of Simon the leper when Mary barged in and anointed His head with expensive oil. The disciples tried admonishing her for the waste and went of on how the oil could be sold to feed the poor. In Matthew 25 Jesus gives his little ditty on feeding the poor and now just one chapter later tells the disciples not to worry about the poor since they will be still around after He is gone.
Personally what I get out of this contradiction is that it is not simply feeding the poor, but more where the heart is. If your eyes are on Christ then the fruit should follow. Relationship then works... God always comes first.
Does that answer your Question?
"Faith is being able to see that someday you will be six years old, while having to view it from the eyes of someone that is three."
Mr I.
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