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BBBCanada
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| Posted 1/13/2002 10:53 AM (GMT -6) |   | Hey! Has anyone thought that maybe all this talk about what we can and cannot do is really a reflection of a "sanitized form of secularism?" And shouldn't we be more concerned with what real forms of evil we should be avoiding instead of surface level entanglements as I see them?
Any thoughts?
Brandon
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June
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| Posted 1/13/2002 6:41 PM (GMT -6) | |
Surface level entanglements seem to be what I deal with on a day to day basis, and are the ones that give me the most problems.
June
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June
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| Posted 1/15/2002 7:21 AM (GMT -6) | | BBBc,
any thoughts of your own? what evils did you have in mind?
June
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/6/2002 2:37 AM (GMT -6) | | We are not under law, but under grace.
BUT, I think there is a fine line between trying not to be legalistic and realizing or remembering that God calls us to be holy.
I think drinking is okay, but I agree that you should be respectful of those around you...especially weaker Christians.
I was able to share my faith with someone sitting on a barstool having a beer. This profoundly affected the person I was with because she no longer saw me as a "goody goody" and it made me more "real" to her.
"Relying on God has to begin all over again every day as if nothing had yet been done..." C.S. Lewis
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n/a
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/6/2002 4:16 AM (GMT -6) | | thanks for the oh so subtle welcome!!!
"Relying on God has to begin all over again every day as if nothing had yet been done..." C.S. Lewis
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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 2/6/2002 4:55 AM (GMT -6) | | Perhaps someone has mentioned this already, but at the risk of redundancy, I recommend people check out the thread entitled "Indulgence" started by graygirl a while back. It shows where this board has been with regard to these issues in the past.
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/6/2002 7:54 AM (GMT -6) | | sarcasm is totally lost over typed messages, faithfull! or maybe it's just you kansas types???!!!!
sorry to digress from the issue at hand, but i had to....
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n/a
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/7/2002 7:49 AM (GMT -6) | | So, I pondered this question last night over my not so great Sam Adams Spring Brew. Never share a bad beer with anyone, but if it's Newcastle, Bass or Guinness, buy the round.
Freedom in Christ rocks!!! Legalism sucks.
"Relying on God has to begin all over again every day as if nothing had yet been done..." C.S. Lewis
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 2/7/2002 6:53 PM (GMT -6) | | I don't know where, but I once read C.S.Lewis refer to American fundamentalism with its anti-drinking and anti-smoking emphasis as "a barbaric form of religiousity." (paraphrase).
For what its worth
Doc
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might-be-don
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| Posted 2/8/2002 2:14 AM (GMT -6) | | Hmmmmm... I've heard that some folks still have to sign documents indicating that they will not participate in such activities as drinking and smoking.
peace and love, don
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/8/2002 2:17 AM (GMT -6) | | i grew up in a home where there was absolutely no drinking. i remember going over to a friend's house when they had their pastor over for dinner and they were drinking wine and i thought for sure God was going to have a major problem with that! i think my parents thought that if they didn't drink (and now they do drink wine occasionally) then i wouldn't drink and i would see it as bad. well, it only made me really legalistic and judgmental. now, i feel the freedom to enjoy a beer or a glass of wine and know that i'm not being sinful. i think that if i'm ever blessed with a family that i'll try a different approach to the issue, but my parents were just doing what they thought was the right thing. anyhoo.....
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/8/2002 2:19 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Hmmmmm... I've heard that some folks still have to sign documents indicating that they will not participate in such activities as drinking and smoking.
my friends, a married couple, who lead a bible study in a wesleyan church had to sign something like that.
"Relying on God has to begin all over again every day as if nothing had yet been done..." C.S. Lewis
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Tom
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| Posted 2/8/2002 3:40 AM (GMT -6) | | For what it's worth...
I live overseas. Evangelicals all (except for a very few) drink beer and wine. But they do so in modesty. In fact, I've been asked on more than one occassion, "Why can't you Christians in the USA do anything in moderation? Do you have to legislate abstinence in order to avoid drunkeness? Have you no self-control?" I think far fewer people would have a problem with drinking if they saw believers exercising self-control and modesty.
Secondly, a nice glass of Merlot or Pinot Noir, with Gouda cheese and warm French bread (made like they make it in Franch), low lights, kids in bed...ahhh...works wonders for my wife and me. And I'm a pretty pragmatic sort of guy, so if it works...
Bottom's up,
Tom 
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Starkman
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| Posted 2/8/2002 9:28 AM (GMT -6) | | I try to be very careful myself when it comes to drinking. I generally don't. But, TGB, that Pinot is sounding good!
Used to to live near Napa Valley - great, GREAT winery there called Visuni or something like that. They won't sell retail because they only make so much, but man, it's tops on the list. We're talking very high end quality stuff!
Starkman
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Tom
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| Posted 2/8/2002 10:11 AM (GMT -6) | | Starkman-
How often can you find somebody who shares your theology AND your taste for good wine? The likelihood of THAT almost constitutes evidence against Doc's theory on Infinite Intelligence!
Tom
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/8/2002 10:36 AM (GMT -6) | | If I could find someone that shared my love for newcastle and had a quick wit and in love with Jesus....well, it would be "on" so to speak.
"Relying on God has to begin all over again every day as if nothing had yet been done..." C.S. Lewis
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Kyle Essary
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| Posted 2/14/2002 7:34 AM (GMT -6) | | As I have been looking around for grad schools, I have noticed that there are many theology schools which make you sign statements against drinking and smoking. I think that is ridiculous, but down here in the Bible Belt, people automatically think you are a heretic if you are a minister who even has a sip of wine. It's ludicrous. I literally had to wait until me and my wife went to London for me to have my first drink simply because it hurts your image so much down here. Isn't that pathetic, hehe?
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/14/2002 8:14 AM (GMT -6) | | kyle, that is WAY pathetic.
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might-be-don
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| Posted 2/15/2002 2:25 AM (GMT -6) | | How do you folks feel about the ones that sign these statements knowing full well in their heart that they don't believe that it should be necessary. Or, maybe that they might not comply ? They need the job, or to go to the school, but compromise their personal beliefs in order to get in.
peace and love, don
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beachgirl
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| Posted 2/15/2002 2:39 AM (GMT -6) | | Well, I don't think that's right. It's like saying you're going to give up chocolate for Lent while you've got M&M's in your mouth. Well, maybe not exactly like that, but it's all about the heart condition. I think you should only sign statements like that if you feel lead to do so by the Holy Spirit.
"Relying on God has to begin all over again every day as if nothing had yet been done..." C.S. Lewis
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Kyle Essary
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| Posted 2/15/2002 5:28 AM (GMT -6) | | I ruled those schools out, not because I couldn't go without a drink, but because I think it is lame for them to do that.
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