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   |  Laika Registered Member

Date Joined Mar 2003 Total Posts : 2433 | Posted 6/26/2005 9:38 PM (GMT -6) |   |
BBBCanada said...
Should we ever ridicule other's beliefs? Are not some beliefs worthy of mockery? How would Old and New Testament examples fit into our pluralistic age?
Their beliefs, NO.
Their country of origin, YES, especially if they have a picture of another country's queen on their 'currency'.
That's just not right, man.......
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  |  BBBCanada Registered Member

Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 6/27/2005 3:15 AM (GMT -6) |   |
Is that who that is Laika? I always just thought that was some old bat. Huh...I guess you learn something new everyday.
I'll be back with a response later today, especially with Tom. How do you justify going from an Old Testament analogy to application? I know you weren't sure on it, but just wonder'n.
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  |  1Heart Registered Member
 Date Joined Feb 2004 Total Posts : 1128 | Posted 6/27/2005 5:08 PM (GMT -6) |   | Laika said...BBBCanada said...
Should we ever ridicule other's beliefs? Are not some beliefs worthy of mockery? How would Old and New Testament examples fit into our pluralistic age?
Their beliefs, NO. Their country of origin, YES, especially if they have a picture of another country's queen on their 'currency'.  </p>
Ouch! Quit makin fun of our money, eh? And, by the way, we don't use those 2.00 bills anymore; you've outdated!
Jo-Anne If God had a wallet, He'd keep your picture in it. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  trosie Registered Member
 Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 550 | Posted 6/30/2005 6:34 AM (GMT -6) |   | | >>Should we ever ridicule other's beliefs? Are not some beliefs worthy of mockery? How would Old and New Testament examples fit into our pluralistic age<<
Why would we? Love is kind. I do not believe that ridicule was the mission of Jesus hence it should not be our mission either. Jesus did at times set the Pharisee's straight but he did not ridicule them by making a mockery of them.
My answer: We are commanded to love and love is kind. I do not believe that it fits within our job description as disciples of Christ to ridicule other people for having differing beliefs. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Empiressque Registered Member
 Date Joined Jul 2005 Total Posts : 17 | Posted 7/17/2005 10:12 PM (GMT -6) |   | Interesting question. I beg to differ with the idea that Jesus and Paul never mocked the beliefs of others; I think they did. Or maybe we're disagreeing on what "mocking" is. I think it is attacking beliefs by pointing out their absurdity (like "straining a gnat and swallowing a camel" !!).
And I can see some value in it at times. Mocking a belief SYSTEM (as opposed to an individual's beliefs in a personalized way) could have some value if it was the only way to get them thinking and questioning (when everything else has failed) and, here's the kicker, if it was done in love and not with pride or bitterness. Very few people can accomplish that succesfully though. But, for instance, I can see possibly putting up a website that mocks that belief system of Mormonism, pointing out absurdities of the theology, knowing full well it might make people angry. But, if you can get them angry, you get them thinking, and if you get them thinking, they might start to question their beliefs...thereby leading to an encounter with the Truth.
But, this would be far and away the exception, and especially not recommended when dealing with fellow brothers and sisters in a personal way.
Just a thought.
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 |  BBBCanada Registered Member

Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 7/18/2005 5:12 PM (GMT -6) |   |
So in one corner we have Trosie saying, “No” to ridicule and mocking because love is kind. In the other corner we have Miss E saying that it is OK to mock beliefs, but we need to be sure what ridiculing or mocking of beliefs really is. Miss E would say to mock the person’s belief system, but not the person and it depends on how one goes about doing this. That is we don’t do it in arrogant condescending way as opposed to doing it out of love.
And I think you guys see that this kind of question gets to the heart of the differing ways in which we Evangelicals do theology as well as evangelism. D.A. Carson criticizes post-modern Christianity over this question because post-moderns seem to want to “dialogue” and not offend. He feels that Christianity is always offensive no matter how nicely you put it because it is exclusionary. That is, that according to some, God has given us a sense of the absurd and means for us to find some things ridiculous and if we don’t find some things absurd or ridiculous, what does this do to the Gospel and the Christian faith.
I would say this. Jesus embodied and taught parabolic correctives to misappropriations to the law. These would be described as prophetic and (in the truest OT sense of the term) and "apocalyptic" (in the 2nd Temple Jewish sense of the term). In these traditional forms of confrontation, "demeaning" is never the performative sense of corrective dialogue or action. The attitude of prophesis in the tradition that Jesus belongs to is better described as "confrontational," "insistent," and "provocative" such that to say that he was “demeaning” is specious at best. Jesus role as teacher is bound up in his role as Savior, they are all part of the same eschatological package. The odd tension between Jesus' confrontation of the contemporary Jewish system and His role as Messiah come to a hilt in Matt. 23:37. That verse places Jesus' pointed discourses in the context of God's indefatigable love for Israel, yes, even the ones that begged for His execution.
If we take the most ridiculous religious movement in Palestine, the Samaritans, we see in John 4 what Jesus’ attitude was toward such people. So, guess what? While you won’t find anything in the records of Jesus demeaning others, we do see that Jesus was in the habit of “telling it like it is” when it came to confronting demonic perversions of nature and theology, but denouncing something manifestly "Satanic" still doesn't strike me as "demeaning." Even looking at Paul, we see that he balances his “sharper speech” with compassion of the Christian faith. In this way he effectively subverted the very rhetoric that was often "demeaning" in antiquity, so while he may come and visit your town and spar with you verbally, he will travel thousands of miles to bring you cash and risk his life in the process.
Brandon
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   |  Starkman Registered Member

Date Joined Oct 2001 Total Posts : 1747 | Posted 7/19/2005 7:06 AM (GMT -6) |   | Aside from a postmodern-relative view, when it comes to the question about how we're to treat each other (mentally, physically and spiritually) isn't it common sense that tells us not to ridicule others. Don't we raise our children to not do that? Don't we get upset at others when they do it? This is really a no-brainer matter.
Looking at Elija - he was in total engagement with a group of people who were believing in off-the-wall stuff (though quite adhered to in his day). He wasn't being smug or anything like that. He was simply pushing the buttons that would reveal the incapabilities of the deity his opposers worshiped. And even if he, or anyone else, for that mater, were to literally ridicule, that doesn't mean it's right or acceptable conduct—just because someone in the Bible does something doesn't mean God or we have to endorse it.
It's clear. If you are going to engage someone's belief, then do so, and do so with respect. If that means you have to get a little agressive about it in order to make the point, well, so be it. But don't ridicule a person in doing so, anymore than you wouldn't ridicule the person for anything else in life they do. Point out the absurdity and even stupidity of believing something, but don't ridicule.
I can't see how this is an issue. Maybe I'm missing something here.
Starkman My teacher used to say that whenever he read Scripture, he would always ask the question, "What does this have to say about the character of God?" Working off his thinking, as I read Scripture, I have come to ask, "What does this have to say about the heart and passion of God's desire for relationship for us? | | Back to Top | | |
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