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upg validator
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   Posted 10/29/2003 4:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Researching Dana:
Ah, the wisdom and folly of youth!
-Aite Sec


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   Posted 10/29/2003 4:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mystery is not a good excuse for sloppy reasoning...
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Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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   Posted 10/29/2003 8:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW:
I stated that because people have been asking me to reveal my religion. Being a mystery religion, it is not just for everyone's for the taking.
Does sloppy reasoning include citing the Bible as proof of Jesus' historical existence? (Which, if it were unifiably true and agreed upon, then boards like this one would be rendered unneccessary, wouldn't they?) <wink, wink>


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   Posted 10/29/2003 9:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The Bible can be tested for its historical reliability by the same tools other historical documents can.

And Jesus' existence is corroborated from other sources as already noted.

This contrasts with the Koran, which is claimed to have emerged at Mecca, but contains all sorts of references to existing monotheism that was found far from Mecca. And so the only way this claim can be true is with the Angel giving the text to Mohammed story and that doesn't sell...

Likewise with the populations hypothesized to have existed and been visited by Jesus by the Mormons. No evidence has been found for their existence.

I don't care for mystery religions. Fundamental truths are not meant to be revealed to only an elite few. If you will go back and read teh Bible you will see that Jesus spoke in the language of the common people, using common every-day analogies to speak deep truths that one doesn't need to be familiar with Josephus and Hebrew/Greek and other stuff to understand much of its teachings.

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Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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   Posted 10/30/2003 7:58 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm goging to have to diagree with DLW. I think without knowing greek or hebrew and being familiar with the context of the day the sayings of Jesus are almost undeciepherable. They were purposely cryptic and say so that people would not turn and be forgiven (Mark 4:10-12).

UPG I have cited non-biblical texts which validate the Jesus existed as a historical figure. You won't answer to that.

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   Posted 10/30/2003 8:01 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Haven't you ever heard of hyperbole?Clown
Yes, the better the knowledge base the better, but much of the teaching doesn't require a degree/training like Dana is getting right now...

(but, hey, his view isn't surprising given the natural desire for future job security. Tongue)

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Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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