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Mat
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| Posted 7/2/2001 6:59 AM (GMT -6) |   | Ok, this one deals with the ressurrection of Jesus and the "supernatural ascension" of Moses and Enoch. These questions I will pose are the primary objections and preconceptions I have with the Bible Ok, I'm wondering "where" these bodies now are. If they are in heaven as they are said to be, then heaven would seem to be an actual place, and can these bodies exist up there, or does the coldness of "space" and vacuum of "space" deteriorate them? This just seems rather rediculous to me, since only 3 humans ever gained the "respect" to be teleported up there. I could elaborate, but I think you all get the jist of what I'm trying to say. And my question may be worded vaguely, but once again, I think you understand my concern with this super supernatural event. Any comments appreciated.....
Mat
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Triskal
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| Posted 7/2/2001 11:17 AM (GMT -6) | | Before I can answer your question, I first must attempt to give an accurate description of what heaven is. Heaven is not some other place that exists way beyond the reaches of our universe that people are merely "teleported" to when they die. Rather, heaven is spoken of as being all around us, from which God and his angels work from. I often get the picture of another reality, invisible to our human eyes.
Now, to answer your question, I don't believe that Moses and Enoch had the same body as they entered this reality. My belief is that their bodies were transformed into what God desired. I haven't exactly studied the passages that speak of their ascension, this is just my opinion based upon what I already know and have been told. Hopefully other will have a more accurate and descriptive answer to your question; which, I must say, is a really great question.
In His Grip,
Matt
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 7/3/2001 10:49 AM (GMT -6) | | Interesting question Mat. I've never wondered about this before. Hmmm.
As I think about it, several things come to mind:
1. Matt is right in suggesting that we should think of "heaven" as a different dimension rather than a different spatial location. Someday heaven will be on earth, where we shall reign with Jesus (Rev. 5:10). But at present it is invisible to us.
2. When Enoch and Elisha and Jesus are said to have ascended "up into the clouds," I don't think we should conclude that they had to rise this way in order to get where they were going. It was perhaps for the sake of the viewers, denoting their elevation to "a transcendent plane" (ancients always thought of heaven as "up."). The same may be said for Jesus' return "in the clouds" (I Thess 4).
3. Moses didn't ascend. His body is still in the ground -- which confirms Matt's point that what the disciples saw on "the mount of transfiguration" was not their actual physical bodies, but representations of their spirits.
Hope this helps a little. Thanks for making me think
Doc
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