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rove
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| Posted 1/2/2002 2:47 PM (GMT -6) |   | I have a friend who I am in conversation with regarding the Christian faith.
One question he has is about the seven deadly sins? He wants to know where these fit in in the scheme of things.
Any and all information is appreciated.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 1/2/2002 7:09 PM (GMT -6) | | The Romans/Latins like seven for everything. Its the Medieval Scholastics in them. The Eastern Fathers have various numbers.
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rove
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| Posted 1/3/2002 2:06 AM (GMT -6) | | Ok, thanks POW
What about a biblical basis? Are the seven deadly sins found anywhere in scripture? or are they a Roman afterthought?
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 1/3/2002 4:11 AM (GMT -6) | | | Off hand, I don't think that that list originates in scripture. Go on search the internet and find the list and post it here, to get your discussion going. (Make it VISUAL.) Then you cna look in the Bible yourself. Tell us what you find. | | Back to Top | | |
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Vexen
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| Posted 1/19/2002 5:27 AM (GMT -6) | | The list goes back at least to Pope St. Gregory the Great and St. John Cassian.
The Seven Deadly Sins in traditional order:
Pride, Greed, Envy, Wrath, Lust, Gluttony, Sloth.
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BJS
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| Posted 1/19/2002 5:40 AM (GMT -6) | | The list is not found within Scripture as such (although each of the sins is certainly discussed). The "Seven Deadly Sins" is one of the oldest human attempts at identifying and categorizing sin.
An interesting book on the subject from a psychologist's perspective can be foundhere.
Brett
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trosie
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| Posted 1/19/2002 9:20 AM (GMT -6) | | Welcome, rove
Great question!
Vexen
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The Seven Deadly Sins in traditional order:
Pride, Greed, Envy, Wrath, Lust, Gluttony, Sloth.
I find it interesting that these are all based on internal thought processes. I was thinking "deadly sins" would be more external actions such as murder, adultery, stealing...
trosie
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 1/19/2002 5:17 PM (GMT -6) | | Trosie: I find it interesting that these are all based on internal thought processes. I was thinking "deadly sins" would be more external actions such as murder, adultery, stealing...
peanutgallery: If, as some say, we Western Protestants are "crypto-gnostic", then maybe Trosie is both right and wrong. "Pride, Greed, Envy, Wrath, Lust, Gluttony, Sloth" may not be as "internal" as Pietism leads us to believe. For instance, isn't "wrath" the same as murder.....thinking to what Jesus said about "raucha" (naming someone a fool makes one guilty of murder).
Maybe there is no such thing as "internal" by itself. Sure, there is internal and external. But maybe the non-crypto-gnostic understanding is for more of a unity.
Like I said, Trosie is right. (I'm not picking on T, nor saying what T said is wrong.) But I'm just taking another look at it.
PoW
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trosie
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| Posted 1/19/2002 8:09 PM (GMT -6) | | POWquote:
Maybe there is no such thing as "internal" by itself. Sure, there is internal and external. But maybe the non-crypto-gnostic understanding is for more of a unity.
Actually, I wonder if you might have this slightly backwards? What I mean is that there can be internal processes without external representations BUT there cannot be the external without the internal occurring first.
It appears that the internal can (but not necessarily always does) lead to the external act. Hey, maybe that's why Jesus said that if one even lusts in their heart they already have committed adultery?
The battlefield is in our minds consequently that's where sin first occurs. Isn't that interesting???
trosie 
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