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Corey
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Posted 4/7/2006 1:30 PM (GMT -6)

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel

It's a pretty cool website. It let's you explore a scan of the document interactively.

"The Gospel of Judas gives a different view of the relationship between Jesus and Judas, offering new insights into the disciple who betrayed Jesus. Unlike the accounts in the canonical Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, in which Judas is portrayed as a reviled traitor, this newly discovered Gospel portrays Judas as acting at Jesus' request when he hands Jesus over to the authorities."

I expect this will get a lot of attention, especially as the DaVinci Code movie is released. I saw a segment about this on CNN last night, and they really played up the cover-up angle.

Post Edited (Corey) : 4/7/2006 1:33:32 PM (GMT-5)

PotOnWheel
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Posted 4/7/2006 3:47 PM (GMT -6)

I have to wonder, though... Do we call something a "new insight" if it is just false? This was written two hundred years after the four canonical (those that preach Christ crucified and glorified) Gospels. That's a long time. This is just made up to promote the Gnostic religion.

(o)

Corey
Five with a Four-wing

Date Joined Feb 2003
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Posted 4/7/2006 4:08 PM (GMT -6)

Yeah, I'm pretty amazed that it's being treated with as much credibility as it is. A single document, hundreds of years later, written with obvious vested interest.

"You are too skilled in the art of talking in generalities about everything without letting yourself be personally involved." SK in Either/Or.

Sir_Edward
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Posted 4/7/2006 5:45 PM (GMT -6)

Oh come now people -- your astonished? There are people out their who think it is credible to beleive that Jesus and Julius Caeser was the same guy. Wizard's first rule: "People are stupid -- they will beleive what they want to belive regardless of the truth."

Blessings and quite being so surprised at this stuff. People have been trying to discredit the Bible for years.

Sir_Edward -- Knight of the Theological Roundtable - 2 Timothy 4:1-5

PotOnWheel
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Posted 4/7/2006 6:56 PM (GMT -6)

Discrediting the Bible is easy. All one has to do is say they don't believe it. ("Dis-Creed-it"

What is dangerous is substituting a different "gospel" for the Gospel of our Crucified and Risen God.

What matters is how they answer the question "Who do you say that I am?"

(o)

JET
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Posted 4/9/2006 6:42 PM (GMT -6)

I think John Sanders (who is clearly a biblicist) has a similar view of Judas.

Edit: I don't know if Sanders thinks Judas acted at Jesus' request. (Although, the Gospel's do say that Jesus told Judas "what you are about to do, do quickly".)

I as recall (from hearing him speak once), Sanders believes that, rather than intending to betray Jesus, Judas simply wanted to help Jesus get on with his Messianic role by helping to facilitate the conflict with the authorities. Judas regrets when he realizes that his actions led to Jesus' crucifixion instead of leading to the messianic kingdom.

Or something like that.

Post Edited (JET) : 4/9/2006 7:04:45 PM (GMT-5)

Sir_Edward
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Posted 4/9/2006 8:12 PM (GMT -6)

JET,

I just read that part of Sanders -- your right on.

Blessings.

Sir_Edward -- Knight of the Theological Roundtable - 2 Timothy 4:1-5

JEE
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Posted 4/12/2006 1:45 AM (GMT -6)

Interestingly, I just recently had a rather vigorous debate/discussion with a Calvinist who said he didn't see anything objectionable in the Gospel of Judas, as far as he could tell. Being a very consistent Calvinist, he said it was of course true that Judas was doing what Jesus wanted him to do, just like the Devil and every other evil person does.

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