BBBCanada said...
Ummm...you might want to try another board where certain evidentialists might be, but I don't think anyone around here is really an evidentialist, though we probably wouldn't totally ditch this branch of apologetics. Thus we wouldn't really take a stance in which we "try to prove God exists." Most of us around here see evidence as being "people relative." What that means, basically, is that there is nothing we could really say or do to "prove" God to you. We see it more as a heart issue and not a head issue. It would be like trying to convert a committed communist over to capitalism and a committed capitalist over to communism. How do you do that? Everyone is going to argue till they're blue in the face and at the end of the day all we've done is waste our time and breath.

Now, if you would like to hear of a wonderful story (what is the Christian story REALLY about) and compare that to some of the other stories out there, I'm sure there'd be some here that would be willing to do that.

MephEternal said...
Sup, NoGod. Meph here. Nice to meet ya.

I'd like to ask you a question if I may.

Sure you may.

Why are you concerned about religion being a "brainwash" and God being bs? There are many, MANY questionable beliefs that people hold all of the time. Some of them end up being somewhat helpful for life. Others don't. So we exist in this "faithful" state of living in ambiguity all the time on different issues. You could just as easily chastise some version of humanist utopianism for it's unbridled optimism. You could just as easily try to get Taoists to try to explain the Tao. So my mind wonders: Why is THEISM (particularly, it seems, Christian theism) the thing that's being gone after here.

Why is the "God" issue so important to you?

Good question, at present in my country I'm surrounded by people who always say GOD did that GOD did this, and all they do is point me towards there "holy book(s)" to prove that, being a logical and rational human being I consider this a biggest insult to human brain which has achieved so much in science and trying to understand things around us. I feel those who still cling on to GOD for everything do need help in this part to belive in reality rather than living with dreams and "insulting" them selves.
Now this makes GOD issue very important to me as I cannot see so many fellow human beings "dreaming" and forgetting the reality which surrounds them. I feel GOD and religion have created enough problems for this world and are still creating it (ex: terriorism), I feel we need to re-discover humanity again and preach that rather than few religions and hundreds of GOD's which are seperating individuals from humanity.


Trying to "prove God" seems irrelevant on a lot of levels right now, at least to me. It seems like a great question to begin with is one of importance. If you wouldn't mind, why don't you share a little bit about what's at stake for you. Why is this a significant enough issue for you to write and ask about? I just want to hear some of your story.
I answered this in the above point

Let me tell you this. You will not find what you may call "fundies" on this board that get off on trying to defend God's honor or something by trying to convert people. There's no regulars here that do that. I've been on discussion boards and chat rooms where that IS the case. This place ain't like that. At all. Also, you are not going to offend us here by using "curse words" or dramatic imagery. That shock value thing doesn't really work here either. (Of course, we have rules that are administrated by the Administrator...and we ask you to follow those out of courtesy to your fellow human beings who frequent this room. Please be advised. ) We are a group of people who want to seek truth as best we can, by having engaging, intelligent, authentic, sometimes disrupting and passionate dialogue. I've been dialoguing with some of these people since 2000, so I think I'm fairly qualified to make such an assessment. So, I'm just giving you information to set some possible expectations by.
thats really nice to know that there are no fundies on this board, that makes me feel that I'm here for a healty debate and to prove my point on what I'm saying

Hope to hear from you soon.

[img]/emoticons/devil.gif[/img] aka Sir Mephistopheles, the Eternal One.


PS: Do you like hip-hop or dance hall music at all? Just askin'.

Starkman said...
What is a head without a heart?
still a head until it has a heart, even mechanical one (there was a recent invention of completely mechanical heart, on which a human can survive) this means saying things like I feel this in my heart are not entirely true, it is basically you feel everything in your brain, heart has no nervous system which makes you think.

Starkman

(Nice to have you on board, NoGodBlog)

TGB said...
Nogodblog-

With Mephi, I'd ask you the same thing. Why is this important to you?

I have answered this already, but again to re-iterate my point : It is important because I consider it entirely stupid and illogical on my fellow human beings part to be so illogical and irrational and belive in something which is created from nowhere and is based on few "holy" books and "anicent&outdated" thinking process, as someone put it "mindliess thinking process is called religious faith"


I don't think there are any "concrete proofs" for or against God's existence onus of the prooof lies with the one's who say GOD exists, for example "lets assume you are my friend and one day you call me on my phone and tell me you have bought a cat, which according to me where much possible, and I say "great nice to know that" then you say " hey, you know what my cat can sing , dance, or even speak about quantum physics" I say " hah, thats not possible, prove it" then you say " no, you come and prove that I have the cat" so situation is like this where the onus lies on theists to prove what they belive is true not vice versa
not in the sense of an absolutely indisputable objective proof. But I do think that both believeing and disbelieving in God can be rationalplease explain why beliving is rational moves in the sense that such moves appeal to evidences (if even inconclusive evidence). God (if he exists) hasn't chosen to overwhelm us with evidence of himselfhow do you know that. He leaves us roomwhy . In the end it's a question of weighing the evidence and choosing, not passively conceding the obvious. On the other hand, the universe and rationality (assuming God doesn't exist) do not in themselves overwhelm us with evidence for the non-existence of God either. You still weigh evidence and choose.am not clear on what you want to say, so you say even if I produce you evidence that GOD does not exist, you will still say he/she/it does exist?

If you're convinced God doesn't exist, good for you.Yes, and Thanks I have zero interest in proving anything. Sorry to disappoint you. All I say is this: you cannot prove something which does not exist, like if I tell you there is a tea pot revolving around sun(quoted from someone)


Peace,peace too..
Tom

PotOnWheel said...
I'll join Meph and Tom.

If its just an abstract, or a social question, then what good is "it" -- it's like "it" does'nt really exist.

What exists for you?

nogodblog said...
Hi TGB, Again my answer in bold

Corey said...
Just a point of format... it's kind of messy to do your responses in bold, as sometimes formatting gets lost. Better
Also, try to avoid quoting the entire previous post, as this impacts bandwidth and makes the page load slower for everyone.

Violin for God said...

What you wrote above is over-generalizing us a bit, isn't it? It's almost like you put all theists (including us) into the category: "stupid, illogical, and irrational". I hope I'm wrong... but if I'm right about this assessment, this discussion will be pretty much non-productive because you will have already dismissed us before even stepping up to the plate.