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Pentz
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| Posted 9/26/2006 7:26 AM (GMT -6) |   | *****CAUTION****
Following story is a graphic.
http://www.startribune.com/484/story/697783.html
With my warfare worldview in mind, this story just sends me into circles of rage, grief and frustration. I have mixed feelings about this.
Is it okay to get pissed off about the evil that happens as a result of this fallen world? I know the answer but shoot this sucks.
Nate
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selah
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| Posted 9/26/2006 2:46 PM (GMT -6) | | yep. that's the story I referred to on the other thread.
complete evil...and totally sad.
this is the "dome in which satan is king"
what are we supposed to feel?
Again Mephi, my son's question: Shouldn't we spend our time praying for Satan's conversion to happen NOW?
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One Love
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| Posted 9/26/2006 3:02 PM (GMT -6) | | Selah:
what are we supposed to feel?
Whatever you are lead to feel, I suppose.
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Selah:
Again Mephi, my son's question: Shouldn't we spend our time praying for Satan's conversion to happen NOW?
Let me help you...see if you can pick up a theme.
Matthew 6:13
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. '
John 17:15
My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
Ephesians 6:16
In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
2 Thessalonians 3:3
But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one.
If we want to pray concerning Satan, Selah...
How about we pray for STRENGTH to resist the evil one, WISDOM to know the evil one's wiles, and PROTECTION from the evil one.
And I'd say that we do that AFTER we spend the LARGEST PART of our prayer lives lingering on this...
Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
The true power is in the GODWARD CENTRATION of our hearts! The power of a LIFE of worship. C.S. Lewis was right in the Screwtape Letters: the one thing that the "Good Master Below" hates more than anything...is a human being who is COMPLETELY CENTERED on God and REASONABLY FOCUSED on Satan...SO THAT that may live out their God-centered focus. This is why the devil will use ANY SITUATION to place our minds more on the problems than on the beauty of God.
Just some thoughts.
"All is full of love." -- Bjork
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
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One Love
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| Posted 9/26/2006 3:08 PM (GMT -6) | | I will say this too.
Anyone on this board who has read my stuff for some time knows how historically evil situations like this one would NORMALLY send me into a misanthropic RANT about the evil of the world...and how tired I am of the world and all of that. Tired of seeing all the evil and things. I'd usually be talking about why in the world God can't do more or something like that. "Is God so weak that God can't even...blah, blah, blah." When I think about my previous "self", I KNOW how I historically would have felt about hearing such news. I'm not saying that such ranting didn't have it's place...or that it's not valid. But I'm just saying that that's NORMALLY what I'd be doing.
I'm just asking that you NOTICE the difference in my tone now...
and ask yourself...
"What could have possibly changed about Meph to bring THIS kind of change on?"
Some type of beautific vision? Is God changing him? Is he going crazy?
Hmmm...maybe all of the above?
And just think on that for a second.
Let's continue praying for God's glory and healing to be manifested through this situation!
"All is full of love." -- Bjork
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
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Corey
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| Posted 9/26/2006 6:49 PM (GMT -6) | | | Selah: Shouldn't we spend our time praying for Satan's conversion to happen NOW?
Corey: Good question... I like how he thinks!
God knows what is/isn't possible in this world. It seems that Satan is too hardened to repent here; hell was created for Satan and his angels. Without that sort of crushing force, God knows that they will continue as-is.
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 9/27/2006 6:12 AM (GMT -6) | | | Corey, I suppose you could look at it as the difference between going to prison in which you are either in the general pop as opposed to being in solitary confinement OR the difference between going to a detention center as opposed to going to the State Pen.
Just wanted to say this. It's really ironic, that back in 1978-80, when I became a Christian (I was only 13 years old at the time), that I had these elementary questions in my mind--why is Satan still alive if God hates him? God hates Satan right? He obviously hates Satan! How could you think otherwise? Well, because God is still KEEPING Satan alive like the rest of creation??? Doesn't God love EVERYONE??? Hmmm???? Hmmm....What kept me from going further was a lack of solid theological training (so I had to keep these questions to myself with no one to bounce them off of. Even if I did have that training, I would've probably only have recieved affirmation of my already existing beliefs in the forms of these questions above) as well as being immersed in the evangelical church culture which only re-enforced these views by their lack of addressing these questions by not co-herently thinking these all the way through in the way that Meph Man has done. And it's only now that these are being addressed. DAAAAMN!!! That's a looooong wait! So, just wanna say thanks. 
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
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selah
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| Posted 9/27/2006 7:23 AM (GMT -6) | | Corey,
You know what...this just makes me mad at God. If satan is a lost cause this side of Hell, then how about we pray he goes to hell now? Seriously, why not pray that? If God is ultimately all about his own Glory and is not really "saving" us from anything... well, that's ugly to me. That's a self centered mean ugly picture of God. I guess I don't get the whole "project"... what is the purpose? I thought there was a "relationship" here. If I'm relating to God... I'm going to confront him with the futility of this stupid mean project...
My questions now: Why not pray for Satan ...number 1 thing! What is the purpose of life? What is good about the gospel? What is the meaning of good anyway?
ok ok ok
that's my 30 second existential rant
Peace and joy,
selah
Corey said...
Selah: Shouldn't we spend our time praying for Satan's conversion to happen NOW?
Corey: Good question... I like how he thinks!
God knows what is/isn't possible in this world. It seems that Satan is too hardened to repent here; hell was created for Satan and his angels. Without that sort of crushing force, God knows that they will continue as-is.
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One Love
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| Posted 9/27/2006 8:00 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
Just know this ya'll, what happened to those children happens EVERY DAY somewhere in the world. It happens a LOT every day. We just hear about it sometimes, but it's out there. Friggin overrun with evil and pain.
YES!! And God is present at every case. That means something.
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Tom:
I think there are some helpful ways of looking at the project, Selah, that make sense of why God hasn't already ended it all. But I can only discuss it over dominos at Ty's place. So you'll have to show up...and bring the libations!
You'd better save me a slice, dude. I'm just a poor minister, ya know...
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Selah:
You know what...this just makes me mad at God. If satan is a lost cause this side of Hell, then how about we pray he goes to hell now? Seriously, why not pray that? If God is ultimately all about his own Glory and is not really "saving" us from anything... well, that's ugly to me. That's a self centered mean ugly picture of God. I guess I don't get the whole "project"... what is the purpose? I thought there was a "relationship" here. If I'm relating to God... I'm going to confront him with the futility of this stupid mean project...
My questions now: Why not pray for Satan ...number 1 thing! What is the purpose of life? What is good about the gospel? What is the meaning of good anyway?
My thoughts.
The pain of the world sucks...BIG. You know better than ANYBODY that I know that. That I feel that. The death. The destruction. The animosity. The pain. It's all there. And it's real. But what if what Paul said was true. What if the trials of this earth are NOTHING compared to the glory that we shall see in Christ's coming?
What if?
What does 30,000+ years of homo sapiens sapiens history (with human lives being a FRACTION of that)...compare to eternity future with God?
Muons, T. Muons.
Suppose that God's glory really is co-extensive with God's purposes of "trinifying" Creation...such that all temporal beings end up spending ETERNITY in God's beautiful, loving presence and enjoying it as they are able. Doesn't this frame things a bit differently?
Maybe?
How is God's project futile if...
1) God has allowed a free Creation to go it's own way to a certain extent, ending up in sin's emergence
2) God has endured the ultimate sacrifice to SAVE Creation from that sin and
3) in the end, God shall be all in all, as every personal being glorifies the Son?
Every human being that has ever suffered from the stench of sin...will experience glory like they never have in their lives. Those little ones horribly killed, included. Including the killers.
That's some good news to me.
Just some thoughts.
"All is full of love." -- Bjork
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 9/22/2008 8:54 PM (GMT -6) | | |
I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory about to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God; for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning in labor pains until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly while we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies. For in hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what is seen? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but that very Spirit intercedes with sighs too deep for words. And God, who searches the heart, knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn within a large family. And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified. -Romans 8:18-30 | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 9/23/2008 11:10 AM (GMT -6) | | I'm pumped about being home at Christmas for good. God's will be done (creatively through me, he he he).
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 9/26/2008 2:41 PM (GMT -6) | |
selah said...And TA (is that mark?...long time no see!) I ADORE those verses you posted. The B.i.b.l.e. that's just the book for me~!~ (right d?  ) selah Hi T,
Yeah I hear ya, it hits home for me too. 
Peace out,
Mark
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. It is these you ought to have practiced without neglecting the others." | | Back to Top | | |
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