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feelinahole
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| Posted 4/11/2004 4:08 PM (GMT -6) |   | It is my contention that 9/11 would have happened regardless, because our government would not take the threat seriously until it happened. The 9/11 commission is simply a waste of money and is nothing more than politicing at its worse. Each side wants to blame the other. How anyone could honestly believe that anything would have come out of that "commission" is beyond me.
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John Earp
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| Posted 4/11/2004 10:48 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by DLW
the board doesn't seem to want to keep track of the happenings of the 9-11 commission together.
It seems plausible that 9-11 could have been avoided if more leadership was exerted to force agencies to pool information on domestic activities of the Al Quaeda and that there was information that could have led them doing so.
Feel free to come on over to TWeb's political science forum to join us in this regard.
http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=18
dlw
Speaking (of course) only for myself, it seems that the only reason no one has brought this issue up is that no one has brought it up. 
As to the assumption that 911 could have been avoided, perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us all how YOU would have avoided it, given our extremely free society pre 911 and the unthinkable nature of the crimes. Because the 911 plot was so unimaginably ingenious, it is not clear how 911 could have been avoided. So we know that according to the PDB that the Bush administration knew that al Qaeda was planning attacks involving hijackings, and that some suspicious individuals were attending private flight training schools in the U.S.
Who could have imagined back then that these guys were planning on doing anything more than perhaps attempting a conventional hijacking? With the possible exception of the flight that crashed in PA., even the flight crews on the planes had no clue as to the intentions of the hijackers until it was too late to intervene.
It is very easy to criticize the present Administration in hindsight, but why didn't the Clinton administration get bin Laden when they could have? And why didn't the Clinton administration empower our intelligence services to better prevent such a thing?
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Starkman
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| Posted 4/27/2004 12:02 PM (GMT -6) | | John said, Because the 911 plot was so unimaginably ingenious, it is not clear how 911 could have been avoided.
Well, I don't think the plot was all that ingenious. I think it was rather mundane and simple. It just called for time in order for the terrorists to develope the necessary skills to fly the jets. It really isn't all that "smart" of a plan.
Now, what is so exceptional about the whole thing is that they could even get as far along as they did. John said, Who could have imagined back then that these guys were planning on doing anything more than perhaps attempting a conventional hijacking? With the possible exception of the flight that crashed in PA., even the flight crews on the planes had no clue as to the intentions of the hijackers until it was too late to intervene. I think this is what's so stunning. What? No follow up on the clues, knowledge and intelligence we had on all this stuff? Amazing. And, if that's not enough, the security of the pilots alone was just waiting (and asking) for all hell to break loose.
We are ... were ... a trusting nation. We trusted too much and didn't do enough to secure ourselves in view of what we could not trust. But could we still have prevented 9-11? Well, personally, I don't think so. And if it wasn't jets, it'd be something else. We are still way too vulnerable as it is.
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John Earp
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| Posted 4/27/2004 12:15 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi Starkman,
I was apparently unclear in my first post. When I describe the plot as ingenious, I am in fact referring to the umimaginable boldness of the plot, not that it was necessarily all that complex (because it clearly wasn't all that complicated). | | Back to Top | | |
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