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Mayflower
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| Posted 3/18/2003 8:04 AM (GMT -6) |   |
WAR
TIME Magazine,
Photo essay:
"Protests Heard Round the World"
quote:
February 15, 2003: From London to Paris to Jakarta to New York City, millions of anti-war protester took to the streets around the globe ...[to protest war].
INDEX: http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/peacerallys/index.html
PHOTO NUMBER 3: http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/peacerallys/3.html
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March 18, 2003:
Countdown
to War ...
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030317/map/
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Laika
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| Posted 3/18/2003 8:33 AM (GMT -6) | | http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html
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BJS
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| Posted 3/18/2003 8:59 AM (GMT -6) | | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-614607,00.html
Brett
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Mayflower
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| Posted 3/18/2003 5:26 PM (GMT -6) | | WAR
TIME Magazine Photo Essay:
PHOTO # 6:
The Protests Heard Round the World:
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/peacerallys/6.html
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/18/2003 6:00 PM (GMT -6) | | Mayflower,
The problem with that picture? I'm am sooo not into involving children into "adult problems" because of the level of complexity of the issues.
Brandon
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Laika
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| Posted 3/19/2003 2:27 AM (GMT -6) | | 
Thank you Jesus that we CAN do something to stop this evil.
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Mayflower
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| Posted 3/19/2003 4:31 PM (GMT -6) | |
The evils unleashed by war are indefensible.
Who will suffer most??
The innocent; the little children...
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Mayflower
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| Posted 3/19/2003 4:55 PM (GMT -6) | | March 19, 2003
9:30 P.M., Central Standard Time
In the country of Iraq:
THE BOMBING HAS BEGUN.
TIME Magazine Photo Essay:
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/peacerallys/6.html
The reality is that bombs spare no one.
NO ONE.
Not even the children...
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honorman
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| Posted 3/19/2003 6:11 PM (GMT -6) | | why is war indefensible...would force in Rwanda be indefensible?
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Iconoclast
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| Posted 3/19/2003 6:25 PM (GMT -6) | | Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: ... a time for war, and a time for peace.
thanks,
Iconoclast
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Electra
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| Posted 3/19/2003 7:27 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: ... a time for war, and a time for peace.
thanks,
Iconoclast
I agree that there is a time for war, but I don’t believe this is the time. Electra
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Electra
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| Posted 3/19/2003 7:28 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Thank you Jesus that we CAN do something to stop this evil.
AMEN! And thank you Jesus that the way you stop evil has nothing to do with war (the kind that destroys human beings). Electra
Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky
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Mayflower
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| Posted 3/19/2003 7:37 PM (GMT -6) | |
WAR:
quote:
Ecclesiastes 3:4
For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven:
a time to mourn...
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Electra
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Mayflower
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| Posted 3/20/2003 6:08 AM (GMT -6) | | WAR:
"Today I Weep for My Country"
Thank you, Electra, for sharing this link (attached above).
Mr. Byrd expresses the sorrow that fills so many hearts today.
For anyone who may not be able to open the link, I will also attach the article in its entirety:
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3-16-03
Sen. Robert Byrd: 'Today I Weep for My Country.'
The oldest voice in the U.S. Congress rose on Wednesday to denounce as misguided President Bush's march to war with Iraq:
"Today I weep for my country," said West Virginia Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd.
"No more is the image of America one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper. ... Around the globe, our friends mistrust us, our word is disputed, our intentions are questioned.
"We flaunt our superpower status with arrogance," Byrd said, adding: "After war has ended the United States will have to rebuild much more than the country of Iraq. We will have to rebuild America's image around the globe."
Byrd, who has been a leading foe on Capitol Hill of war with Iraq, spoke in a nearly empty Senate chamber about four hours before Bush's 8 p.m. EST deadline for Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq or face a U.S.-led invasion.
"May God continue to bless the United States of America in the troubled days ahead, and may we somehow recapture the vision which for the present eludes us," Byrd said.
As the white-haired senator concluded his remarks, a number of people in the visitor's gallery rose and applauded before they were admonished to be quiet.
At 85, Byrd is now the oldest member of Congress as well as the longest serving.
He was first elected to the Senate in 1958, after six years in the U.S. House of Representatives. Byrd was among those who voted last year against the congressional resolution that authorized Bush to use force in his showdown with Saddam, and the senator has given frequent floor speeches since then warning against war.
Polls on Wednesday showed strong American support for a war but widespread opposition to it overseas.
"The case this administration tries to make to justify its fixation with war is tainted by charges of falsified documents and circumstantial evidence," Byrd said.
Despite administration suggestions to the contrary, Byrd said, "There is no credible information to connect Saddam Hussein to 9/11."
The senator said, "We cannot convince the world of the necessity of this war for one simple reason. This is a war of choice."
Byrd said that instead of negotiating, Washington demanded obedience or threatened recrimination. "Instead of isolating Saddam Hussein, we seem to have isolated ourselves."
He said many questions about the looming war were unanswered -- including how long it would last, what it would cost, what its ultimate mission was.
"A pall has fallen over the Senate chamber," Byrd said. "We avoid our solemn duty
to debate the one topic on the minds of all Americans, even while scores of thousands of our sons and daughters faithfully do their duty in Iraq."
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gregw
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| Posted 3/20/2003 6:56 AM (GMT -6) | | It has been a long time since I have posted. I am only posting to say this. I resolutely believe that our current conflict with Iraq is a just conflict. We must do our best to overthrow the megalomaniacal, sadistic tyrrant of Bagdad. The people of Iraq deserve freedom. They deserve to live their lives without fear of recrimination in the expression of their freedom.
May we now resolve to support our President and our brave military members and their families.
Greg Woodard
http://www.usfamily.net/web/gv.woodard
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/20/2003 7:27 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Thank you Jesus that we CAN do something to stop this evil.
and quote:
AMEN! And thank you Jesus that the way you stop evil has nothing to do with war (the kind that destroys human beings). Electra
Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky
Hmmmm...I just might have put some thoughts up on love, power and justice. Is the Kingdom of God to be thought of in such a way in which "powerless love" overcomes "loveless power?" 
Brandon
"And don't say it's love that broke your heart when you trusted someone. Cause love's the victim, not the crime."--Jody McBrayer, Love Can Break Your Fall www.jodymcbrayer.com
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/20/2003 7:31 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
I agree that there is a time for war, but I don’t believe this is the time. Electra
Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky
That's a good one. I appreciate your sentiment. 
Brandon
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Electra
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| Posted 3/20/2003 7:50 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Hmmmm...I just might have put some thoughts up on love, power and justice. Is the Kingdom of God to be thought of in such a way in which "powerless love" overcomes "loveless power?"
Interesting question Brandon. My initial response would be that there is no such thing as powerless love. Though the world may dismiss it as weakness and falsely accuse it—all the while thinking they are doing both God and the government a favor—love is the only legitimate power. Electra
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Mayflower
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| Posted 3/20/2003 8:48 AM (GMT -6) | | WAR:
I appreciate your viewpoint, Brandon. And, regarding many other subjects -- we would be in agreement.
WAR is not one of those subjects.
BBBCanada wrote:
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The problem with that picture? I'm am sooo not into involving children into "adult problems" because of the level of complexity of the issues.
Brandon
http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/peacerallys/6.html
The "complexity of the issues"??
I don't understand.
In good conscience, how can we avoid consideration of the children --when it's the so-called "adults" who have unilaterally decided to bomb the children's homes??
My prayer ....
is that all humankind will open their hearts -- and, hear the cries of the children.
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BJS
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| Posted 3/20/2003 9:24 AM (GMT -6) | | Mayflower: quote:
The "complexity of the issues"??
I don't understand.
In good conscience, how can we avoid consideration of the children --when it's the so-called "adults" who have unilaterally decided to bomb the children's homes??
My prayer ....
is that all humankind will open their hearts -- and, hear the cries of the children.
I do think it is immensely unfair to claim that there is no more complexity to this issue than to say that it is simply a question of whether to kill innocent children or not kill innocent children.
Frankly, I find it patently offensive to suggest that those in favor of this war have closed "their hearts" to the "cries of children." While you may not agree, there is a legitimate argument that this military operation has as its goal the long-term (and even short-term) protection of innocent human life. Again, that is up for debate, but as Brandon points out, that debate is far more complex than you are stating it.
Brett
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honorman
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| Posted 3/20/2003 9:24 AM (GMT -6) | | Hmmm, whose view should I follow, Bush's or Byrd's the ex-KKK member. Hmmm, all these choices...
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honorman
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| Posted 3/20/2003 9:28 AM (GMT -6) | | Once again, for those who oppose the war there is no active dialogue as to why it is wrong but just emotions and slogans. No wonder the American public is so supportive of the president when those who oppose the war cannot give a viable option to those who are seeking one as to why it shouldn't be fought, not to mention foolish diatribes about killing children, as if one could reduce the state of world views to such simplistic ideals...
Mayflower, perhaps it would be better if you opened your heart to actual dialogue on the issues rather than giving such simplistic statements. You may just see that children may be one of the reasons this conflict is being fought...
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/20/2003 9:43 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Interesting question Brandon. My initial response would be that there is no such thing as powerless love. Though the world may dismiss it as weakness and falsely accuse it—all the while thinking they are doing both God and the government a favor—love is the only legitimate power. Electra
Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky
But beyond your initial response, what would you say? Love the quote under your name. I sooooo gel with it. It should very much be a part of this discussion.
Brandon
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BJS
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| Posted 3/20/2003 9:55 AM (GMT -6) | | Brandon [to Electra]:quote:
Love the quote under your name. I sooooo gel with it. It should very much be a part of this discussion.
Brett
"Siste viator et memento mori."
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