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BBBCanada
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| Posted 4/9/2003 8:15 AM (GMT -6) |   | Is it me or does it bother anyone else that PFC Jessica Lynch is "being smothered" with gifts, car, college fund, etc, for her heroism?
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honorman
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| Posted 4/9/2003 10:46 AM (GMT -6) | | While I think its great that she survived, I personally feel that the "heroism" should be left to those who rescued her. It does kind of bother me that she is a hero because her party took a wrong turn.
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Laika
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| Posted 4/10/2003 2:24 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
While I think its great that she survived, I personally feel that the "heroism" should be left to those who rescued her. It does kind of bother me that she is a hero because her party took a wrong turn.
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The Washington Post is reporting that according to intelligence and Pentagon officials recently rescued Army Private Jessica Lynch went down fighting while being taken POW by Iraqi soldiers. Despite two broken legs and a broken arm Lynch grabbed her M16 and returned fire on the ambushing Iraqi soldiers. While engaging the Iraqi soldiers she suffered at least one and possibly multiple gunshot wounds before running out of ammunition. Still not ready to give up, she fought her Iraqi captors and received a stab wound during the fight.
Sounds like a tough kid.
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 4/10/2003 3:32 AM (GMT -6) | | Interesting honorman. Hmmm...can we say it like this? That both her and her rescuers are heros? My question is not placing ANY doubt on her heroism. I don't see how "mistakes" makes her any less of a hero. For in the whole scheme of things, all the coalition forces are heros. They are all placing their lives on the line for you and I and the Iraqi people and freedom and democracy.
What bothers me is how we define heroism though. That is, heros usually go without recognition. They don't recieve rewards, upon rewards, upon rewards. And they usually are heros at great personal cost. It is not that they don't recieve ANY rewards, it just that there is a point at which we move from some genuine heroism to commercialism. Kind of a capitalism gone bad, or going to the extreme. I mean, she is getting all of the accolades, but half the men and women who have been wounded are getting as much. It bothers me that such is what is happening.
Let me give you an example. In my city here, there was a young man who stepped into a volitile situation (a person was been beat'n up). Well, this young man almost paid dearly with his life! For the people that were beat'n up the first person, almost killed this young man. I mean he landed in the hospital for quite sometime. Now I overheard someone say, "Look at that! You help someone out and you nearly pay with your life! What is this world coming to?" The point was, why be a hero if you are going to have to pay? But by definition, that is exactly what a hero is! Sure he would be a hero even if there was no great personal lost to him, but it confounds me that this is precisely what heroism is and that others don't recognize it.
So, I believe that all the soldiers in the war are heros. I believe that some pay greater costs than others. But I also have problems with showering her with gifts. I'm not sure there is a definite line in the sand at which you cross from genuine heroism into commericalism, but there seems to be a line either way.
Also, I agree with ya as well Laika. She's a tough cookie. But ultimately, I don't see why this places any special "hero status" on her.
Brandon
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gregw
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| Posted 4/10/2003 4:05 AM (GMT -6) | | She's a hero because she went down fighting! Hopefully she enabled a few of her would be captors to meet their end a little earlier than they had anticipated.
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Electra
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| Posted 4/10/2003 4:28 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Hopefully she enabled a few of her would be captors to meet their end a little earlier than they had anticipated.
I don’t see what this has to do with hope. I too wish certain people would die, but I confess this to my shame. I grant that it may have been necessary for this soldier to kill her captors in order to avoid being killed. But this is a reality we ought to grieve over instead of glorying in. Especially if our concern for the Iraqi people is anything more than a pretense.
Let’s hope for life—for all, not just some—instead of death.
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 4/10/2003 5:13 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Hopefully she enabled a few of her would be captors to meet their end a little earlier than they had anticipated.
This is REALLY sad.quote:
But this is a reality we ought to grieve over instead of glorying in.
I agree with ya Electra. Is there no hope for Charles Manson?
Brandon
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Laika
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| Posted 4/10/2003 6:03 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Also, I agree with ya as well Laika. She's a tough cookie. But ultimately, I don't see why this places any special "hero status" on her.
It doesn't. And Hollywood wouldn't be interested if she weren't so cute. But that's the way of the world.
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gregw
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| Posted 4/10/2003 8:04 AM (GMT -6) | | Electra,
In reply to: "Especially if our concern for the Iraqi people is anything more than a pretense.
Let’s hope for life—for all, not just some—instead of death."
My concern is for the Iraqi people. Her captors were henchmen for the SH regime and therefore enemy combatants. Any soldier worth their salt would have done the same thing. So I reiterate, I hope she took down a lot of enemy combatants before her captivity. I would rather 1000 enemy combatants die rather than one of our finest.
One last thing, I do not glory in the death of anyone. I do not like war, in fact I hate it. But I also understand that sometimes war is necessary to effect peace in the world. It seems clear that tyrannical regimes respond only to force.
I have much more that I want to write, but enough for now.
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honorman
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| Posted 4/10/2003 8:08 AM (GMT -6) | | I do wonder, though, if she were a man if she would be getting all the accolades. For instance, they just rescued a couple of Rangers, yet no one is thinking that they are heros and their deeds should be paraded about.
Actually, Lynch, at first, was said to have been shot, then later that was found to be untrue. So I will wait until the true story comes out, rather than everything the media has been reporting.
Personally, I have no problem with GregW's comments. Just as I would give thanks if I or anyone I know kills them before they kill me, I am grateful that she may have taken a few down with them. Her captors was likely killed several of the POWs in their charge. They deserved to die.
I pray for the soldiers in my country because my country is doing a great good for another country's true citizens. Those in control of Iraq who do not give up should die. I confess this not to my shame, but in the name of justice, which is upheld by the God I serve.
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gregw
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| Posted 4/10/2003 8:43 AM (GMT -6) | | Rock on honorman!
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Electra
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| Posted 4/10/2003 11:32 AM (GMT -6) | | gregw: My concern is for the Iraqi people. Her captors were henchmen for the SH regime and therefore enemy combatants.
Electra: You seem to be in denial about the nationality and/or humanity of Ms. Lynd’s captors.
gregw: So I reiterate, I hope she took down a lot of enemy combatants before her captivity.
Electra: How do you reconcile Jesus’ teaching about loving our enemies with your desire for the death of “a lot of enemy combatants”? Please clarify this, because your hope sounds like hatred to me.
gregw: I would rather 1000 enemy combatants die rather than one of our finest.
Electra: What is the theological basis for calculating that one person’s life is worth 1000 times less than another person’s life?
Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 4/10/2003 5:30 PM (GMT -6) | | gregw,
It is one thing to see that Lynch had to do this to protect herself. So no one really has a problem with any soldier who is worth their salt. It's just that we don't need to glory in this stuff. Your quote certainly betrays this. I might want vengence, but that sentiment should be tempered with sentiments of justice.
Brandon
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honorman
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| Posted 4/10/2003 5:37 PM (GMT -6) | | Electra: do me a favor, find the novel "Rora," by James Bryon Huggins, read it and tell me if the main character is a Christian or a non-christian...
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honorman
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| Posted 4/10/2003 5:39 PM (GMT -6) | | Gregw: you rock on as well. I believe David danced alot after destroying his enemies. I believe the killing of those who do evil is something to praise God about. If Hussein is dead and can never torture another person...praise God!
Electra, how would you reconcil your views in light of how David acted, given that Jesus is called the son of David, and Paul called David a man after God's own heart?
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gregw
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| Posted 4/11/2003 4:14 AM (GMT -6) | | Electra,
As I do not have the time to continue this discussion, I will let honorman's reply suffice.
Victory over evil is something to praise the Lord about and victory over the evil SH (and his minions) is close at hand.
May peace prevail in the world.
Greg
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Electra
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| Posted 4/11/2003 4:31 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Electra, how would you reconcil your views in light of how David acted, given that Jesus is called the son of David, and Paul called David a man after God's own heart?
Psalm 51; 1 Chron. 22:8; 28:3.
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 4/11/2003 6:00 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Gregw: you rock on as well. I believe David danced alot after destroying his enemies. I believe the killing of those who do evil is something to praise God about. If Hussein is dead and can never torture another person...praise God!
Electra, how would you reconcil your views in light of how David acted, given that Jesus is called the son of David, and Paul called David a man after God's own heart?
I may be accused of "picking and choosing" scripture here and may be asked what justifies this, but just because it is in scripture does not mean it is an example for us to follow. Admittedly, there is much work and discerning for us to do in our hermeneutics, but this should not stop us from trying. I would also say that David rejoiced not in his own strenght but in the strenght of his God which places him in a very humble position. He is the Sovereign King who raises nations and destroys them, Job 12:12-23. God is the creator and David is the created.
I think in light of the evil atrocities that keep coming to light everyday, we need to have bowed heads NOT "HA! HA! HA! You got yours com'n to you you bastard! MuaHAHAHA"
That is not the way of Christ either.
Great thoughts "bob." 
Brandon
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